GLOCK19
4/17/2008 12:07:22 PM
omg..
i'm from korea..
Tgscom...sad..
Davy Crockett
3/27/2008 3:32:07 PM
Are we so quick to forget Clinton's "Crime Bill"? What a joke! We might not be so lucky next time and have a sunset like that law did.
Davy Crockett
3/27/2008 3:30:40 PM
BUY YOUR CLIPS NOW FELLAS, BUY YOUR CLIPS NOW. If one of these libtards gets elected, they will try and take our 2nd amendment rights away. You can bet that.
Also, stock up on all NATO and common foreign calibers (9mm, .45, .223/5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51/.308). You can bet they will try to take that route if another doesn't control enough.
Assault Bats
3/27/2008 12:26:46 AM
A bat becomes an assault bat, only if you have a 20+ round magazine, and at least one other "evil" addition. Those bat flash suppressors are especially agressive looking.
Go Hillary!
3/27/2008 12:23:05 AM
For a refreshing change of pace, lets invite the left wing into the White House. Won't be long before the impeachment proceedings. Hillary(uous) how much infighting on the Liberal side! As this campaign continues, it's turning out to be a regular circus. Black Muslim man on one side, white communist woman on the other... Never a scarier election that I can remember... Need I say more?
BTW, LiBeRaL is a four letter word in my household "LBRL".
According to Hillary, I am part of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy", and I would have it no other way!
Davy Crockett
3/25/2008 5:40:13 PM
"Idiots"----What are you talking about?
hey idiot
3/21/2008 10:52:42 AM
You cannot even define assult rifle, it is a made up term to have brain dead people like you fall for. If I beat you with a baseball bat I have assulted you, therefore it is an assult bat. Better get those banned
Idiots
3/21/2008 2:48:49 AM
Davy Cockett- Get a life, shoot your guns. As much as I appreciate you as a pioneering visionary as for how America can change for the better by putting an assult rifle into every American's hands, I have to seriously doubt your posts. There is no way you could be getting enough rounds down range to to be considered a respectable marksman. Too much hot air if you ask me
Davy Crockett
3/18/2008 11:57:26 PM
ATTENTION ALL LIBTARDS:
Look at history! An unarmed society has *NEVER* remained a free society!
God damn you people are stupid!
Gun control
3/16/2008 9:53:49 AM
Gun control is not about guns.....it is about control
Tired of the blame game
3/15/2008 11:32:01 AM
I’ve heard it said: If guns kill people...then pens and pencils and keyboards make you misspell words and forks and spoons make you fat, watching horror movies and playing violent video games make you a killer, and being a female gives you all the equipment you need to be a prostitute but you CHOOSE, good or bad, the way you use these thing.
nothing is free
3/10/2008 11:22:46 AM
maybe the recent terriost act in Isreal [school shooter-killed by armed student] will show the no guns -no crime people the real deal
Davy Crockett
3/9/2008 10:43:49 PM
Amen on the "liberals have no arguement on the 2nd amendment against someone who know what they are talking about"......Everytime I spit the truth they stop talking to me here.....Interesting.....
Davy Crockett
3/9/2008 10:36:41 PM
I'm from Texas and WE LOVE GUNS! :)
Not Crazy in Texas
3/9/2008 9:47:14 PM
Crazy in California ...They are leaving because there is too much truth here and you will not play their game. All you do is keep quoting the Decleration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights. Which they see as outdated. They do not debate anyone on the 2nd amendment who knows what they are talking about....I talk with liberals all the time but have found most to be suffering from some mental illness and unable to comprehend true freedom and personal repsonsibility...In losing this argument they need to mention something like weed in a last ditch effort to try and put a label on you like Bible beater, racist, etc..They mention hunting and deer in an attempt to make you think you are turning away one of your own.It was just the same old liberal/socialist/progressive cry of "we are not talking about hunters guns". Even Michael Moore is an NRA member.....For the record I am a vegitarian and have not hunted in 30 years. The Freedom of firearm ownership is not about hunting.
Canadian Gun Owner in Idaho:)
3/9/2008 6:11:31 PM
Guns, knives, arrows, baseball bats, rocks, sticks, cars, the ground rushing towards someone at over 200MPH, falling airplanes... don't kill people... People kill people.
Crazy in California
3/9/2008 6:03:28 PM
I give up on most of you. Attack, attack, attack. I'm fine with guns. Buy as many as you want!! It's you're money. I'll stick to debating with my Republican & Libertarian friends in person. It's sad some of you feel you can't talk to 'Liberals'. I love debating and hearing other peoples opinions, it's challenging, I learn and sometimes I change my position. I will bow out gracefully, but let's make a deal before I go: You can have you guns if I can have my marijuana! Haha, did I live of to your liberal stereotypes? P.S. I hunt too...and LOVE venison!
Orgasmic
3/9/2008 10:48:05 AM
What do you do when the tyrants are the police? Liberal/socialist/progressives get absolutely orgasmic when they watch the youtube video posted just below. It is their dream world.
Davy Crockett
3/9/2008 10:45:54 AM
MY FELLOW GUN OWNERS: Don't waste your breath. Don't get upset. We have to remember THEY ARE *LIBERALS*. And we all know as gun owners, within our circle, that they will never take them away without a fight to the death. It would be like Waco 1993 1000x! Rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a socialist slave.
The Gun Source standing up for the Rights of all
3/9/2008 10:23:30 AM
Kudos to The Gun Source for standing up for the Rights of all Americans! And for being a law abiding business making a profit lawfully!
what do you do when the tyrants are the police?
3/9/2008 10:17:14 AM
"what do you do when the tyrants are the police"? - Guess we saw living proof of that in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
more words the liberal/socialist/progressive hates
3/9/2008 10:14:05 AM
You ever notice how liberal/socialist/progressives in their seach for what they say is "intelligent respectful conversation" in discussing the 2nd amendment like to use the term "reasonable gun laws" thereby putting themselves in the position that if you disagree with them you are not reasonable?.....here are more words that liberal/socialist/progressives do not find as intelligent, respectful conversation......."The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals. It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable [given by their creator so you can never claim to be higher than that] and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." - Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789........."Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison
words liberal/socialist/progressives hate
3/9/2008 9:49:44 AM
Yes I know the line below about our creator is from the Decleration of Independence. Do not even try to argue that does not cover the Bill of Rights.....Anyway here are some more words that liberal/socialist/progressives do not find as intelligent, respectful conversation......“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from ANY who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” - George Washington......."To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee......and from today "what do you do when the tyrants are the police"? - Penn of Penn & Teller
ignorance abounds in liberal/socialst/progressives
3/9/2008 9:33:30 AM
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights"....Government, man, people, nor my dog did not create me, nor do they have authority to grant or take away Rights granted to me by MY CREATOR. If you think you or they do, please explain that authority to override those rights granted to me by MY CREATOR.......If you do not have the mental capability or MORAL ability to understand that. Then yes I guess it's rare for you to find what you see as intelligent, respectful conversation on the Internet....Liberal/socialist/progressives cannot stand the idea that they are not the final authority over my Rights.
Anonymous
3/9/2008 7:35:32 AM
duh-- Uh, the person said the freedoms referenced to were granted by their Creator, which I assume (maybe I'm wrong) was a religious reference. Last I checked the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, all of which I love every part of and every amendment, were written or created by man, humans, people. There was no direct, divine intervention that I'm aware of. Influence and inspiration are not the same thing.
If you couldn't see past the fact that I stated the question that way to make a point, sorry you missed it. Just trying to get the guy to elaborate. I guess it's rare to find intelligent, respectful conversation on the Internet.
Vlad
3/8/2008 8:26:30 PM
For the poster's who claim that everyone carrying concealed weapons will revert to the old west, here are some facts. 1st: ALL OF THE HORRIBLE, TRAGIC, SHOOTING EVENTS OCCURED AT GUN FREE ZONES.
2nd: The old west had less violent crime than we do today, in cities where it is illegal to even own a gun. Examples, New York, Washington, California.
3rd: Those who would wish to ban firearms all together have no clue about how the real world criminal element operates. Criminals in cities, states, and countries where handguns are banned. Statistically have higher handgun crimes than those that don't.
DavidMichaels
3/8/2008 6:53:25 PM
My Thoughts are...
We need somthing like a Federal Flight Deck Officers program in colleges... So unarmed security guards and administrators, principles deans.... Its amazing the Federal government investigates baseball... but not this seemingly growing problem... Knock on wood... the TSA seems to be pissing a lot of people off... but what they are doing seems to be working... Where is the Federal Government in all this???
duh
3/8/2008 9:24:35 AM
"What would those freedoms be?"....Read the Constiution and the Bill of Rights, escpecially the 2nd, that is the major discussion here......."I'm just curious because clearly the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are discussed here"......well imagine that....."and I'm wondering if you're suggesting canon law instead?".....woop, woop, woop, liberal/socialist/progressive alert, liberal/socialist/progressive alert, cannot discuss the 2nd amendemnt becasue they know they know they have no argument against it so will attempt to twist it into something else that has nothing to do with anything
Johnny Begood
3/6/2008 7:00:58 PM
Lenny Magill from the glockstore.com wrote a good article on
Gun Control or Drug Control ....The Viginia Tech Tragedy.
He has some good points. May be they need to tighen control on antidepressant drugs instead.
Crazy in California
3/6/2008 1:51:02 AM
"Stop trying to take away my freedoms granted to me by my Creator and putting yourself/government in place of my Creator and all will be fine with me."
What would those freedoms be? I'm just curious because clearly the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are discussed here and I'm wondering if you're suggesting canon law instead?
Davy Crockett
3/5/2008 10:46:55 PM
"Crazy in California", Though I dislike the liberal in general, I can respect what you have to say. ATTENTION ALL OTHER LIBERALS: Take a tip from your buddy here.
Davy Crockett
3/5/2008 10:45:28 PM
"The Original Wipe This Thing Clean"---->You ask if Florida is a concealed carry state and it is. You state that the concealed handgun laws didn't stop the killer. You're right. But, NEITHER DID YOUR POLICE NOR YOUR EXCESSIVE LAWS! Where were they?
Firefighter
3/5/2008 1:35:04 PM
One of the victims of teh Wendy's shooting was 42 year old Rafael Vazquez. Rafael was a father of five and left behind a wife as well. He was killed after returning to the Wendy's to exchange the toy that came in his child's meal...If you'd like to assist the Vazquez family send care to: Union Office, 2328 S. Congress Avenue, Suite 2C Palm Springs, 33406...You can also call (561) 969-0729. Checks can also be dropped of at any Fire Rescue Station. In the comment area, please, make note that the donation is for the Vazquez family.
A truth
3/5/2008 8:04:23 AM
""I really wish we could get beyond the whole Liberal/Conservative bashing and focus more on the people and issues at hand, not ideology""......Stop trying to take away my freedoms granted to me by my Creator and putting yourself/government in place of my Creator and all will be fine with me. Until then.......
A truth
3/5/2008 8:01:55 AM
There is nothing the American Left seeks more than the approval of the International Left. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, a citizens freedom, all of it, takes a back seat to that approval
Crazy in California
3/5/2008 4:06:07 AM
I really wish we could get beyond the whole Liberal/Conservative bashing and focus more on the people and issues at hand, not ideology. It is easy to get fired up sitting alone at the computer, but that just ends up inflaming others...attack the statement, not the person.
Crazy in California
3/5/2008 3:57:36 AM
Read the article in the L.A. Times, it's nice to humanize a side that gets demonized a lot. People tend to think with their emotions on the issue of guns. But as a super, duper liberal (& not a fan of guns) I just wanted to let you know you have my total support and I see the anger as misdirected. If we’re looking at gun control alone--that's up to Congress not entrepreneurs, and while gun lobbyists have similar interests in mind it would be irresponsible to equate the two. It's socially acceptable to shun a smoker, but not someone shoving their face with cheeseburgers and milkshakes. The direct effects are clearly different but both have indirect consequences on health, environment & taxpayers. I like the comparison from the article: you can't blame Chevy for drunk drivers...or Jack Daniels for that matter. Instead of focusing so intently on blame we should look individually look at each case and ask why, instead. Anyway, you seem like a stand-up guy, keep on rockn' in the free world.
Davy Crockett
3/4/2008 9:19:03 AM
"reality, which is beyond your grasp" & "What about these deaths", AMEN FELLAS! You have to remember: they are LIBERALS. Lives lost or saved has never been the true motivation behind their front. It is social bigotry, a false fear that comes from ignorance and a facist/communistic/unrealistic core set of values. Just keep your automatics loaded fellas.....keep em' loaded. If they want to TRY and take them someday, just tell them they can COME AND TAKE IT! I know I will.
What about these deaths
3/3/2008 9:42:56 PM
Original Wipe This Thing Clean, a few days ago four children were killed by a woman in the U.S. illegally. Had she not been allowed in and to remain in the U.S. illegally these children would still be alive. Hundreds of citizens and legal residents are killed each year by people in the country illegally. Hundreds that would still be with their loved ones had the law been enforced and followed. I am sure you are speaking out against those criminals and doing your best to have them removed from the street.
reality, which is beyond your grasp
3/3/2008 9:36:58 PM
""Isn't the gun lobby's answer to all this killing to let people carry guns?"".......No it is not the answer to all and no one has ever said so. But did anyone in Wendy's have a firearm? If not that was a choice. You see, unlike you I believe in non criminal people making choices for themselves when it comes to personal protection. But had a law abiding customer in the Wendy's been armed by choice, the outcome would most likely been fewer deaths of innocents. But then the death of innocents is not really what you are concerned about. It is a false front to who you really are in your core. My prayers to all those harmed by this criminal in this act in Florida. Had he driven a car through the store it would have been no less tragic.
Davy Crockett
3/3/2008 6:35:03 PM
"The Original Wipe This Thing Clean"----Taking all the guns away is not possible nor realistic. Just like you can't take all the illegal drugs away. Guns are here to stay. Outlawing them only keeps them in criminals hands as criminals don't turn theirs in. Nice try though.
The Original Wipe This Thing Clean
3/3/2008 5:54:48 PM
Another senseless, random slaughter in Florida today. And isn't Florida a state that allows people to carry a gun? Isn't the gun lobby's answer to all this killing to let people carry guns? Well, so much for that theory huh? No, the only way to end the slaughter is to get all guns out of peoples hands!
Davy Crockett
3/1/2008 10:53:22 AM
Preach on fellas, preach on......Liberals turn into facists eventually as they can't stand the sweet air of liberty.
Clarification
3/1/2008 9:18:23 AM
""I'll have conversations with real people who have actual thoughts instead."".......Which means too many people here with truth, I will go to a place where everyone will agree with me about the "gun nuts" (the people who defend their rights granted to them by their creator)and we can slam them with our progressive/socialist rants.
know who you are
3/1/2008 9:14:41 AM
Disappointed, there is no "gun debate", that is your first problem right off. And anyone who posts with what you have written, I already know has their bias and I know already where you stand. There is the 2nd Amendment, the Right of self protection granted to us by our creator, not the government. There are good people and bad people and bad people must be delt with. No "gun debate" about it.
Anonymous
2/29/2008 4:19:01 PM
Disappointed - if you read through all the posts, you will see that the ones who start the name calling, do so because they are immature and cannot handle the fact that deep down inside they know the pro-gun people are right. But because they cannot come up with reasonable, logical arguments for taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, they have no choice but to reduce their arguments to unfounded name calling and exemplifying their own ignorance with vulgarities.
Disappointed
2/29/2008 10:43:12 AM
I came to this site because it was supposed to be "an unbiased and open discussion of the gun debate in the United States." The tone of these posts is anything but that. Name-calling and flagrant distortions do nothing but make an honest debate more difficult. Folks who seem to have nothing to do but post rants need to get a life. I'll have conversations with real people who have actual thoughts instead.
Davy Crockett
2/28/2008 10:31:57 PM
If liberals existed back in the days of real men; men who stood up for their rights and didn't trust the facade called government, they would be exiled or hung. I am so ashamed to be part of a country that contains some people who don't value what they have. I have seen poor parts of our world on three different continents. Seeing this only magnifies the determination I have to stand up for what I was blessed with and what I work for every day: *FREEDOM*; a word foreign to the liberal.
A lesson to be learned
2/28/2008 6:48:19 PM
I'm blue in the face. I guess you can't teach logic to people who have their heads up their asses. That's fine! I hope they keep their heads up their asses, but I really wish they'd stop making me pay for their (unsuccessful) corrective surgery!
This country is in the sad, pathetic, doomed to recess state it is because of Liberals! End of story. Done.
new customer
2/27/2008 6:03:51 PM
Eric, Thanks for The Gun Source! Great place for getting what I want for my firearms and if all is good your business will double as the fascist progressives attack you. I pray for the famiilies and others who have lost loved ones due to the actions of the one who killed them. I am not sorry he is dead.
Formerly Wipe This Thing Clean now The New Guy
2/27/2008 12:54:15 AM
Good point Davy Crockett but wrong. Davy, the liberals have and do control: Hollywood, network news, sitcoms, almost every major paper and pretty much every institution of learning from grade school to colleges - hence 'gun free school zones' - No, they carry far, far more blame than half!!! I hate to say this, but this country is FUBAR...
Davy Crockett
2/26/2008 9:39:00 PM
ONCE AGAIN------------------------------------
LIBERALS NEVER CAN ANSWER THIS ONE!!--------Automatic firearms have been around for 130+ years, school shootings have not. If guns caused them, then why did they not happen in decades past when access to even machine guns was much easier? You see people, the reason liberals don't reply is they would have to take half the blame as the y are half the SOCIETY that is to blame! We live in a blame everybody else society and nobody takes responsibility. That is why our country is screwed.
The Original Wipe This Thing Clean
2/26/2008 5:34:54 PM
I can't believe that after almost seven days since my last real post, someone is STILL falsely using my name. As such, I will continue posting as 'The New Guy'!!!
Anonymous
2/26/2008 12:32:57 AM
I just realized... 'Liberal Idiot". That's like saying yellow yellow.
The Real Wipe This Thing Clean
2/26/2008 12:02:44 AM
I can't believe that over six days after my last real post, someone is STILL falsely using my name. Davy Crockett, bless your soul, you are still putting up the good fight! Carry on, and I hope you can knock some sense into at least one liberal idiot...
northwest gun owner
2/24/2008 8:27:42 PM
wipe this thing clean----your insane....first off, Obama getting elected (thanks to Ralph Nader, he wont)he could never, even with the UN who has no business telling America anything, can get the guns away from us. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The facts are, there will be a LOT more dead people if they try to take away guns than if we just keep them. Getting guns out of a country does not make it safer. We will have to get rid or knives, ropes, and 2 x 4's which is what anyone should hit you upside the head with
SureShot
2/24/2008 3:26:36 PM
From The Patriot Post - "In the wake of the recent murders at Northern Illinois University, The Washington Post reported, “If there were lessons learned after the Virginia Tech massacre, they were: Lock down and notify. Virginia Tech officials did neither until hours after the first shots sounded across the Blacksburg campus in April. Northern Illinois University did not make the same mistake Thursday.” Gee whiz, it’s a good thing they notified everyone that a “gunman” killed six unarmed students. We would hate to think we live in a country where citizens are disarmed and gunned down without a follow-up notification. As we have said before, the problem is that these schools are “gun-free” zones, meaning only killers can have guns."
Davy Crockett
2/23/2008 10:09:00 PM
LIBERALS NEVER CAN ANSWER THIS ONE!!--------Automatic firearms have been around for 130+ years, school shootings have not. If guns caused them, then why did they not happen in decades past when access to even machine guns was much easier? You see people, the reason liberals don't reply is they would have to take half the blame as the y are half the SOCIETY that is to blame! We live in a blame everybody else society and nobody takes responsibility. That is why our country is screwed.
Davy Crockett
2/23/2008 10:07:48 PM
Yeah true SURESHOT. Notice you don't see any liberals responding to that. WHEN TRUTH SHOWS IT'S FACE, LIBERALS SCATTER LIKE COCKROACHES.
SureShot
2/23/2008 12:18:17 PM
CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS HAVE GUNS - The only fear criminals have is that their victims will also be armed - their greatest hope is that law abiding citizens will be disarmed. A vaulable lesson learned was the case of Kennesaw, GA quoted here:
"You may recall that in 1982, this Kennesaw, Georgia town's City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to possess a firearm to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants." Former City Councilman J. O. Stephenson
says that back when the ordinance was passed, "People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes. Of course, that wasn't the case." However, since the ordinance became law, crime has declined 89% in Kennesaw while only declining 10% statewide. According to Robert Jones, president of the Kennesaw Historical Society, "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."
Questions
2/22/2008 1:09:17 PM
Wipe this thing clean, You stated "You gun 'rights' people just don't get it! If handguns -that have no other purpose than to kill people- were banned there would be 5 more students in class today at NIU".......Do you say the same thing about a people in the U.S. illegally each time someone is killed by them? Such as "You illegals "rights" people just don't get it! If illegals -that have no other purpose than to come here illegally, take jobs, money and kill people- were banned there would be hundreds of more people alive".....Also how can there be so many handguns with hundreds of thousands of rounds fired each year yet not hundreds of thousands killled, if their only purpose is to kill?
Davy Crockett
2/22/2008 7:32:29 AM
BIGGUNZ, I'd be right there with you! These stupis liberal think they are goig to just march in without a big fight and take our guns. They come to my house, they will say "hello to my family of friends!". I will wave the "Come and Take It" flag that my ancestors waved to the tyranny of Santa Anna!
Davy Crockett
2/22/2008 7:29:48 AM
A-MEN Progun!
Davy Crockett
2/22/2008 7:28:12 AM
LIBERALS NEVER CAN ANSWER THIS ONE!!--------Automatic firearms have been around for 130+ years, school shootings have not. If guns caused them, then why did they not happen in decades past when access to even machine guns was much easier? You see people, the reason liberals don't reply is they would have to take half the blame as the y are half the SOCIETY that is to blame! We live in a blame everybody else society and nobody takes responsibility. That is why our country is screwed.
GLOCK
2/21/2008 10:00:01 PM
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN. You are the type that would vote
for ROTTEN CLINTON,I persume!
GLOCK
2/21/2008 9:55:13 PM
Wipe this thing clean.
Another MORON fron up North somewhere.
Give a MORON a outlet and he will speak!
PROGUN
2/21/2008 7:30:07 AM
I have a scenario I want to run through for you. IF gun control works then in theory if we banned guns there would be no need for police officers to carry one right? If you disagree, then you are admitting that people will still have and use guns illegally. It's really simple. Someone please speak intelligently about this. Guns are bad, eliminating them will take care of the problem so we can save some tax $$ on guns for police officers. ANY argument to that would HAVE to support owning guns.
BIGGUNZ
2/20/2008 9:09:51 PM
You gun nazi's make me want to puke! EJP, if you don't believe in guns, let me see you try to take MINE! I feel for the families and I understand how they might feel about guns right now. The fact is, you can't take ALL the guns. I am a law abiding citizen and most legal gun owners are. If you take mine, the criminals will still have them. You UN gun elimination people are INSANE! I hope other people are thinking what I'm thinking and would stick up for their rights with me. The government doesn't GIVE me a right to do anything. It's the other way around!!!!
Working Girl
2/20/2008 2:46:37 PM
To the Ombudsman,
I am a single woman working in the District of Columbia. As such, I am concerned they do nothing about the rampant crime committed by the men in cities such as Washington D.C. Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, and too many others to mention.
These people are the real terrorist's in this great country as far as I am concerned, and I fear for not only my safety, but other woman friends and loved ones who are forced to live and work under these deplorable conditions when if given enough resources, the police could crack down on these individuals, and make a very big difference in a very short time. Kudos' to the new Chief of Police and her efforts to curb this problem with practically no financial help from the U. S. Government, who it would seem.
When minority men commit crimes at a rate of five and one half times more
than the main stream, it is time to do something drastic about it. And,
that time has come!
Nuff said:
2/20/2008 2:38:44 PM
From the FBI:
Inner City Minority males, ages 14 to 35, commit 56,6% of all violent crime in America, while they comprise less than 3,5% of the population, and contribute less than 1/10 of 1% to the gross national product. Please join the National association of BLACK and HISPANIC law officer's and tell your Congressman and Senator you want money from homeland security allocated to clean the “Criminal element” out of the inner cities. Call now, before your mother is “Beaten to death” for a “Couple of dollars”,[NEW YORK] and your wife and teenage daughter are repeatedly “Gang Raped” and “Sodomized” while you are forced to watch, [Oakland] Or your daughter and her boyfriend are raped, sodomized, murdered, and dismembered, [ Knoxville] or your son is “Murdered”, just because some “Under privileged” Young gentleman thought he looked at him the “Wrong way”, [DETROIT] Actual cases. CALL NOW!
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 2:34:22 PM
I am an NIA at Canadian Customs. When Canada passed gun control the crime rate tripled within six months, our response times especially in the cities were more than cut in half because our work load was tripled and the budget was not increased a dime. some twenty years later, the crime rate is even worse. I cannot imagine what would happen in the inner cities of the U.S. if people are not allowed to defend themselves. Inner city thugs are the worst and most inhumane criminal's I have ever encountered in my twent two years on mean streets in cities all over the world. I pray for you. Google Channon Christian to see what happens when only the "Bad" guys have guns.
agoodcop
2/20/2008 2:23:45 PM
Why you need to defend "yourself".
From the FBI:
Inner City Minority males, ages 14 to 35, commit 56,6% of all violent crime in America, while they comprise less than 3,5% of the population, and contribute less than 1/10 of 1% to the gross national product. Please join the National association of BLACK and HISPANIC law officer's and tell your Congressman and Senator you want money from homeland security allocated to clean the “Criminal element” out of the inner cities. Call now, before your mother is “Beaten to death” for a “Couple of dollars”,[NEW YORK] and your wife and teenage daughter are repeatedly “Gang Raped” and “Sodomized” while you are forced to watch, [Oakland] Or your daughter and her boyfriend are raped, sodomized, murdered, and dismembered, [ Knoxville] or your son is “Murdered”, just because some “Under privileged” Young gentleman thought he looked at him the “Wrong way”, [DETROIT] Actual cases. CALL NOW!
agoodcop
2/20/2008 2:02:53 PM
Young girl walking down the street. "Brutha" in the alley, "Brutha" grabs young girl, starts to rip her clothes off. Young girl has gun, "Brutha" [Wide eyed, in fear] No pleese I's din meen nutthi'n! He's dead now. End of story.
A woman saved
2/20/2008 1:59:10 PM
If you people want to know just qwhy you need your second amendment rights so badly, google Channon Christian & Christopher Newsom. You will not believe this could happen in America!
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 1:41:50 PM
Wipe this thing clean, You are the one who "Doesn't" get it. If just one person in that "Ill fated" class, had a concealed carry permit the shooter could have been neutralized instead of killing people like a herd of helpless sheep. This is why the inner cities are rampant with crime. "LeRoy" and "Tyrone" don't care if it's against the law to have a gun, they "Got a piece" enny ways ! NAMEEN? Now, read my percious post to see just why your foolish argument doesn't hold water ae far as this "Under cover NARC" is concerned.
Now, google Channon Christian to see why you need a gun, you will N O T believe it!
Anonymous
2/20/2008 1:32:15 PM
Wipe this thing clean,
You are the one who "Doesn't" get it. If just one person in that "Ill fated" class, had a concealed carry permit the shooter could have been neutralized instead of killing people like a herd of helpless sheep. This is why the inner cities are rampant with crime. "LeRoy" and "Tyrone" don't care if it's against the law to have a gun, they "Got a piece" enny ways ! NAMEEN? Now, read my previous post to see just why your foolish argument doesn't hold water as far as this "Under cover NARC" of 22 years is concerned.
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 1:27:53 PM
Wipe this thing clean,
You are the one who "Doesn't" get it. If just one person ion that "Ill fated" class, had a concealed carry permit the shotter could have been neutrlized instead of killing people like a herd of helpless sheep. This is why the inner cities are rampant with crime. "LeRoy" and "Tyrone" don't care if it's against the law to have a gun, they "Got a piece" enny ways ! NAMEEN?
Now, read my percious post to see just why your foolish argument doesn't hold water ae far as this "Under cover NARC" is concerned.
Wipe this thing clean
2/20/2008 12:47:32 PM
You gun 'rights' people just don't get it! If handguns -that have no other purpose than to kill people- were banned there would be 5 more students in class today at NIU instead of being in the ground. Yes, I do support Sarah Brady, and I also pray that Barrak Obama is elected because because he supports the United Nations and their plan to get these guns out of America so our country will finally be safe!!!
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 9:10:01 AM
If I "Have a gun, you have no rights"? Not ! If you don't have a gun, you cannot defend your rights. Especially when the inner city thugs all have guns and break the law to have them, and can take your money, your car, even your wife and daughter, any time they feel the urge, because you cannot defend your self.
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 8:42:07 AM
I met my wife, a DEA agent, while working as a liaison with them for Canadian Customs. An inner city "Thug", tried to carjack her in 2003, he thought he had a "Pretty" white gurl to rape to go along with his "New ride". He's "DEAD" now.
No "Questions" asked no leave with pay, just a fat raise and a commendation.
If she had not been armed, she would very likely have met a horrible death, after being raped and sodomized.
Google Channon Christian if you want to see the single most important reason that main stream Americam people need to be armed. YOU WILL N O T, BELIEVE IT !
Lakotalawman
2/20/2008 8:21:41 AM
This si why you need to defend yourselves.
From the FBI:
Inner City Minority males, ages 14 to 35, commit 56,6% of all violent crime in America, while they comprise less than 3,5% of the population, and contribute less than 1/10 of 1% to the gross national product. Please join the National association of BLACK and HISPANIC law officer's and tell your Congressman and Senator you want money from homeland security allocated to clean the “Criminal element” out of the inner cities. Call now, before your mother is “Beaten to death” for a “Couple of dollars”,[NEW YORK] and your wife and teenage daughter are repeatedly “Gang Raped” and “Sodomized” while you are forced to watch, [Oakland] Or your daughter and her boyfriend are raped, sodomized, murdered, and dismembered, [ Knoxville] or your son is “Murdered”, just because some “Under privileged” Young gentleman thought he looked at him the “Wrong way”, [DETROIT] Actual cases. CALL NOW!
KofC Knight
2/20/2008 8:04:48 AM
I am a federally licensed gun collector. I am CCW trained in multiple states. I am a USMC Veteran. The attitudes posted over the last few days are appalling. Wisconsin and Illinois are the only 2 states which refuse to issue CCW permits to its citizens and will not recognize those from other states. Wisconsin (Lautenschlager/Doyle) fought against Federally mandated permits for off duty and retired Police officers. Most college students do not even qualify for a permit. Those over 21 should be able to exercise their rights and carry a concealed weapon. Statistically, few would get a permit. Fears regarding mobs of drunken armed college students in the dorms are unfounded. CCW permit holders have a stellar record nation wide. Wild West shootouts are not happening. It is the criminals who do not obey the law. These mass murderers at the school shootings do not honor a gun free zone. Why do people insist on helping to create victims by restricting honest responsible adults?
xd
2/19/2008 5:03:42 PM
I own some guns but am not a collector and I do like target shooting. I also have a CHL that I applied for some time ago mainly because I think our 2nd ammendment rights are in serious trouble.
What concerns me most is allowing students in the universities and colleges to carry concealed weapons on campuses. I live close to one of the Big 10 Universities and the median age of college students is mid-20's. I know from being one of the "older" students that stress is a fact of life for any student. Weekend parties and drinking along the the immaturity of the 20 something student impairs their judgement in a lot of cases. I also realize that the majority of students have never been in a life or death situtation where they have to decide in split seconds they to take someone's life. There's a lot more at stake than just getting the license to carry a gun.
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 8:51:23 AM
"OH MY", LOL!! Well stated!
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 8:36:15 AM
This country didn't become great from a bunch of liberals. They just rode the efforts of real men.
Back To The Womb
2/19/2008 8:23:40 AM
The term angry for profit goes right to the heart of whom they are. Profit is a bad word. To them no one should make a profit on anyting, it should all go to the great placenta and then fed to us in egual portions as we lie in the great womb. Angry for profit is elvolved. Evolved to being given the gift of Liberty to begging for the chains of slavery.
questions
2/19/2008 8:17:54 AM
"IF YOU HAVE A GUN, I HAVE NO RIGHTS!", So angry for profit, if I have a firearm you have no right to free speach? No right to vote? No right to a trial in court? No right to not have soldiers put up in your home? No right to proper bail? No right to own property? And on and on? Please tell us old great evolved one, how do you have no rights if I exercise the only right the gives the others teeth?
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 8:10:28 AM
LOOK UP THE SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED AT THE **APPALACHAN SCHOOL OF LAW** Two students stopped the shooter before he went out of control. The police then arrested him and a tragedy was prevented. THE MEDIA DOESN'T HYPE THAT UP BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SELL!! Too bad, because then liberals would have the whole story......as they get all their "intelligent information" from the media as we all know. Oh yeah, and Hollywood.
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 8:05:46 AM
Fellow conservatives, you have to understand, it is hard for the liberal to actually accept that it is us as a society that is to blame for the condition of or society because that would actually involve TAKING HALF OF THE RESPONSIBILITY!! AND LORD KNOWS WE CAN'T DO THAT THEN WE COULDN'T BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!!! OMG!!!
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 8:03:17 AM
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf". ~George Orwell / Rudyard Kipling
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 7:48:59 AM
You have to remember, guys like me can shoot circles around the average cop. They're also not the brightest sometimes. Hell, I knew how to make exsplosives when I was a kid and before the internet! You liberals think a criminal can't just take up that to kill the masses? The terrorist do it over there, they can do it here too. It's not difficult.
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 7:46:22 AM
And AGONY, unfortunate to the liberal cause, when you have men like me that are educated and intelligent and contribute to society that prefer firearms, it's not going to change. ****THE DAY LIBERALS COME TO TAKE THE WEAPONS IS THE DAY I DIE***......along with two or three of them! ;) Can we say A-to-the-K?
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 7:41:57 AM
I have to agree with "what a joke" on the womb thing.
Davy Crockett
2/19/2008 7:40:33 AM
AGONY FOR PROFIT, You have good points my friend, but I ask you a question, **HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING ON THE NEW WHERE A TEXAS CHL HOLDER HAS COMMITTED A CRIME?** You have not. We don't have a crime statistic. It doesn't exist. There are free and honest men who can regulate themselves. I am one of them. Statistics show a CHL holder in Texas is 6.5x less likely to committ a violent crime than a non-holder. They don't just give them to anyone, only the cleanest.
what a joke
2/19/2008 6:40:31 AM
Angry for profit has evolved, just backwards. Bob was dead on, "some people cannot handle Liberty" and they want to evolve back to a womb state where someone else does everything for them.
Bob
2/19/2008 5:28:59 AM
""Guns in the home are proven to be used in far greater numbers in domestic fights, accidents involving children/teens, and for suicides"". Far greater than what? State your source. Show us you are not weak minded.
Bob S.
2/19/2008 12:15:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA ALL PRO-GUN AND ANTI-GUN BELIEVERS SHOULD VEIW THIS VIDEO...I WAS DISCUSSING ON HERE YESTERDAY AND DEFENDING PRO-GUN WHEN ASKED TO CITE SOURCES- HERES A SOLID ONE
Thirdpower
2/18/2008 11:30:09 PM
I suspect "Done" is from PA.
Agony For Profit
2/18/2008 10:08:59 PM
How am I weak minded because I'm evolved past the need to shoot things with steel and gun powder? The self-defense argument is mute because the attacker already has the advantage. Unless I'm sitting in the library with my pistol loaded, out, and cocked they win every time. Guns in the home are proven to be used in far greater numbers in domestic fights, accidents involving children/teens, and for suicides. You can argue and defend this plight on society until the cows come home, it will eventually go the wayside of the Wild West, Prohibition, and Jim Crow Laws. Every idiot in Texas used to carry a gun, now only about a fourth of 'em do it. We encourage "family trips" to the gun shows. You can buy a Barbie, milk, and a gun at Wal-Mart, then we wonder why the young white kids go Columbine?
GLOCK
2/18/2008 8:13:48 PM
Davy,don't waste your time replaying to DONE,AS HE IS A TOTAL MORON.
HE is probaly from up NORTH somewhere,and that should tell you all you need to know!
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 7:13:07 PM
COOL BOB! We should start the 20k+ round club! I know I've cranked a few!
Bob
2/18/2008 6:49:08 PM
Agony For Profit - in my lifetime I have fired most likely close to 20,000 rounds through my firearms and nothing has been killed, injured or destroyed. You have a weak argument to go alng with your weak mind.....Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is an armed lamb contesting the vote......some people cannot handle Liberty. You are one of them.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 6:47:44 PM
Also DONE, you said earlier today that historically Davy Crockett was a bad man, or at least you implied that. Seems you don't know your history. Because of those men at the Alamo sacrificing themselves for our freedom we were motivated enough for an overwhelming victory at San Jacinto and we won Texas. This of coure led to the momentum into the Mexican American war which we won and got OVER A THIRD OF THE USA WE HAVE TODAY! So, DONE, men like Crockett changed the course of history. Read your history books.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 6:32:44 PM
In the mean time, I want to let you know I own 20+ firearms and many of them are autos and I didn't save money by switching to Geico :)
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 6:30:30 PM
DONE, you don't seem too happy there bud. Being a little less rough in your tone and a little less bigoted would serve you a lot better.
Done
2/18/2008 5:41:24 PM
Are you kidding me? You're invoking the second amendment? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ---- tool that you are for the gun manufacturers. If I were Mr. Thompson I'd join a monastery and pray for absolution for my horrible greedy soul. bastards.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 5:38:34 PM
Maybe it's *SOCIETY* that's changed! Our country's morals, values and integrity have gone down. We live in a "blame something else" society. Nothing is your fault now. If you do bad in school, it's the teachers. If you are fat, it McDonald's fault. If you are poor, it's the government's fault. NOBODY TAKES RESPONSIBILITY ANYMORE. Acces to firearms has only been easier in the past. Look back 50 years, guns were easier than ever to get ahold of, including machine guns and THE STREETS DIDN'T RUN WITH BLOOD. Now why is that? NOBODY in this blog wants to ever turn the finger toward themselves.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 5:33:06 PM
PROFESSOR, I ask you, since automatic weapons have been around for 130+ years why have school shootings not? One variable has been constant and the other has changed.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 5:27:20 PM
Hey DONE, I thought liberals were for people having a choice. Does this not apply to the 2nd amendment just because you feel it doesn't matter? To have such a strong point of view and tell all other they are wrong is called a bigot. Aren't you a better person than that?
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 5:23:15 PM
AGONY FOR PROFIT, to say that guns are solely for killing is incorrect and, in my opinion, a bit narrow minded. They can be used for sport, collecting, hunting, self-defense and have been for centuries and you are kidding yourself if think it's going to change.--------Do you imply that a life taken by an irresponsible drunk driver is any less horific or any less valuable than a life taken by a mad gunman? They are equal. Both are dead right?
GLOCK
2/18/2008 5:01:36 PM
DONE,you need to seek profesonial help
It all comes from a bad upbringing at home when you were a child.
GLOCK
2/18/2008 4:56:40 PM
DONE,you need to seek profession help!
It all comes from a bad upbringing at home when you were a child.
professor
2/18/2008 4:13:14 PM
At what point will we as a nation stop "violence for a profit"? As a college professor, I can't imagine arming students or other college personnel to any good result. Why must we continue to answer violence with more violence. I'm hoping that Mr. Thompson's family is never touched by the weapons from which he profits.
Done
2/18/2008 4:12:06 PM
I am from the state of mind, that being one that lives to uplift the human level of conciousness to one that sees guns as primitive and outmoded way of protecting oneself. You don't deserve anything more than insults. YOu are a disgrace to humanity. Defending guns. What a useless and barbaric point of view.
Agony For Profit
2/18/2008 3:37:55 PM
This is typical of "Gun Owners" who blame the idiot not the equipment. Nuclear Weapons dont kill people, the person who pushed the button did it. You cannot compare gun murder to vehicular homicide. GUNS are made to kill, injure, and destroy. Cars are made to transport people and things. Just because the N.R.A. has spent hundreds of millions on propaganda, does not make it true. How many people would have dies if this idiot had a knife, or even 10 knives? And ok, let's say 5 people in that room had legal concealed weapons...great, now we have 6 idiots shooting guns instead of 1. Give me a break, guns, and gun dealers are a scurge on civilization. IF YOU HAVE A GUN, I HAVE NO RIGHTS!
MrExample
2/18/2008 3:19:47 PM
Okay, so if a guy hits somebody with a car, and he was drunk who's fault is that.....car dealer / beer company? Because the laws were followed, the answer might now be more laws, but less laws so lawful citizen can be protecting themselves, not blaming everybody but themselves.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 2:24:59 PM
May I ask DONE, what state are you from?
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 2:24:15 PM
DONE, you don't much accomplished with insults. Use the sharpness of your mind and you'd accomplish alot more here in this blog.
Done
2/18/2008 2:19:53 PM
Davy Crockett - you are a credit to your name - a killer of brown people and proud of and hoping to get even more. What a gd moron dumb shit idiot a hole.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/18/2008 2:17:07 PM
Schools already have armed security guards - they're called POLICE. Unless you can post an armed security guard in every room (isn't going to happen since no school has the budget or staffing for it) they're unlikely to be useful. Even if there were one guard per class, who do you think these shooters would've targeted first? Ding Ding Ding!! The security guard. With concealed carry, no one knows who the armed persons are. They could get the jump on the shooter before the shooter gets the jump on them.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 1:15:49 PM
Hey DUH, You're not too informed bud. YOU CAN'T ORDER A GUN ONLINE AND HAVE IT DELIVERED TO YOU! It has to go through a federally licensed dealer that is local and who does a background check like any other gun! I swear, I am going to flip out the next time an ignorant moran gets on here thinking you can just "order guns online to your house". Shows once again where liberals get their "facts", the media!
Duh!
2/18/2008 1:05:02 PM
"I hope and pray I will never again be in a position where I am asked questions about selling items used in a crime."
Well, the first step is to stop selling guns online to the mentally ill.
Jihad Jay
2/18/2008 12:15:50 PM
You're a class act, TGSCOM.
Can't blame firearms, video games or anti-depressants. We have to blame the shooter, first.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 11:40:27 AM
Yes, let;s ban assault rifles even though none of thee shootings involved one. That's liberal logic for you. Hitory repeats itself: 1.)JFK/MLK/Texas campus shootings all with BOLT-ACTION deer rifles, what did the liberals push for? The Gun Act of 1968 that restricted alot on machine guns. MACHINE GUNS WERE NOT USED!? That's liberal logic once again. 2.)Jim Brady was shot during the Reagan assassination attempt in the head by a SIX SHOT .22 REVOVLER. what does the fat idiot do? He pushes to the COSMETIC/VISUAL features of "assault weapons" changed. They still fired the same power of ammo and still fired at the same rate. Put another check mark in the column for liberal genius. ONCE AGAIN, AUTOMATIC WERE NOT USED, but they further restricted automatics. Interesting......
Diverting your attention
2/18/2008 11:02:08 AM
NOW How is the media going to blame video games/ movies/ music/ TV for this?
My response: Who cares? They'll find a way.
The beauty of the media is that it doesn't need sources. Whatever the reporter says is presumed to be true. Jack Thompson said that Cho from the VT shootings played a lot of counter strike, but he didn't.
How aboot some securitey eh?
2/18/2008 10:58:52 AM
Well if there was an armed security guard at the university, then this probably wouldn't have happened. Closing down online gun stores is stupid, and making guns illegal is outrageous. But I'm still pro-gun control. A huge debate between gun-control lobbyists is whether we should have more restrictions on large and deadly assault rifles or cheap and concealable handguns. What do you think?
Mounty
2/18/2008 10:35:50 AM
Now damn-it! Who let the Canadian in the chat room?
NancyG
2/18/2008 10:27:54 AM
Teddyterp, If true about a nephew, sorry for your loss. I lost a good friend at VT and directed the blame and my hate and anger at the shooter. not a non-living object or people doing a legal business.
Canadian
2/18/2008 10:26:28 AM
RIP Students of all Shootings.
Roger Clemens
2/18/2008 10:23:22 AM
Thank God nobody's talking about me anymore.
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 9:33:09 AM
Teddyterp, tell me your not part of the emotionally driven crowd that actually believes you can buy a gun online nd have it mailed directly to you. DO SOME RESEARCH.
Teddyterp
2/18/2008 9:05:32 AM
I lost a nephew at VT. I don't want your thoughts and prayers. Pray for your own forgiveness.
Idaho Kid
2/18/2008 8:36:31 AM
I own guns and will always own guns, I am a responsible owner with a safe and gunlocks. It's a shame some people can't handle the responsibility of being a gun owner. Anyone can get a car, how many people are run down by irresponsible car owners, drunk drivers kill more people than guns every year. hmmmmm.....
JDunn58
2/18/2008 8:35:05 AM
Just saw the slam that CNN tried to do on The Gun Source. Before that had never heard of you but just placed my first order and will be a regular customer in the future. Thanks CNN for bringing my attention to another American company doing business under our rights of freedom!
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 8:30:20 AM
BEACHEAGLES-----No to be rude, but you can't purchase a gun online and have it mailed to you. It has never worked that way. It shows ignornace when talk like that.
Bydand
2/18/2008 5:45:36 AM
England DOES have guns, just no handguns (except for the criminals) yet people are still murdered by guns
American workers are more productive than the japs and the french if you want to know "who" As for creativity, name one invention produced by the muslims. IED's and suicide vests don't count
Beacheagles
2/18/2008 3:44:43 AM
We need gun control..... buying online shouldn't be an option.... TGSCOM has blood on their hands.
E.ZachLee
2/18/2008 1:27:36 AM
According to the tv news one of the students wounded at NIU had 20 pellets removed from his shoulder and neck. Later reports said the shooter had three pistols and a 870 Remington 12ga. Has anyone heard what he was using for shotgun ammo? I am guessing some pretty light loads, 7-8 shot. My heart goes out to the families of the dead but we are lucky the count was so low. If this guy had AIMED or bought heavy loads for the shotgun he would have killed more. He engaged in classic "spray and pray".
E.ZachLee
2/18/2008 1:19:10 AM
GunStats, instead of the .410 go with a Mossberg 20 gauge. In order to lock the gun, there are several locks which will fit through the ejection port and the bottom when the pump slide is pulled back. If you have small arms you can buy an adjustable stock with six positions for $60.00 that fits the Mossberg. They make this in stainless steel also which your great-grandkid will appreciate a hundred years from now.
an idea
2/18/2008 12:51:57 AM
how about not allowing people who have in any capacity have some type of mental illness to not have access (obviously legally) to a gun? yes we screen for guns, but does that include people who have been institutionalized for any type of mental issues? these last two monsters who have killed could have been stopped (possibly) if we screened for this
Gun Stats
2/18/2008 12:15:40 AM
I don't know. I had thought about a Mossberg 500 410. I had read it is good and safer for home protection. The problem with a gun is I would not want to leave it in my house without being locked up, and what good would that do me if someone broke in?
Davy Crockett
2/18/2008 12:07:15 AM
Gun stats, simple solution: BUY A GLOCK. They work great. Refuse to be a victim.
Gun Stats
2/18/2008 12:03:33 AM
I have no guns in my home (used to hunt and target shoot as a kid, so I know how to use them). I instead choose to have the best security system I can have and watch out for my neighbors. I do also own an M18 Taser and a pretty nice ASP baton, but sometimes I wonder if weapons like that puts me in greater harm than none at all.
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 11:58:04 PM
My last post was too large.. to repeat. An older man who lives next door had his house broken into while he was sleeping (the took his THICK glasses from his nightstand- I guess thinking he would not shoot anyone) and stole many firearms from his home. Now those guns are on the street. I just shake my head when I hear stories like that. I am glad he was not hurt.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:42:12 PM
Take a look what happened just outside of Houston last year. An old man named Joe Horn smoked two pieces of shit illegal immigrants who were attached to other crimes and no telling who else they would have robbed or shot or raped. The guy deserves a medal! The whole incendent was recorded on a 911 tape. They were robbing his neighbor's house.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:38:44 PM
You're right, but it can not be fixed. Hell, if we knew the answer, we would have already done it. Texas doesn't mess with the "feel good laws" bullshit.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:37:19 PM
I tell you what law is kick ass though, The Castle Law! You don't have to justify shooting a criminal! They get what they deserve. A-freaking-men!
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 11:34:15 PM
Do you see that as an unwise "loophole"? Not sure how that could be logically fixed.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:19:33 PM
One needs nothing to buy a handgun from another privately in Texas. It is highly illegal of course to knowningly sell one to a felon though.
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 11:19:27 PM
I don't think you need to have religion in schools to teach morality, values, and repect. I know a lot of non-religious folks who are pretty good people.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:18:15 PM
I assume that most who would be denied do not apply, the process is lengthy and costs moeny, plus you are warned many times over what will disqualify you.
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 11:16:51 PM
Davy - What is the law in TX on buying handguns from a private party. Does one need a FOID card to do so (or is that controlled on the fed level)?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:16:25 PM
I sure hope we all treasure that right and realize that freedoms are not free and that it is a tremendous responsibility that we possess a CHL holders. The rest of the country is watching us. I vow to walk the line and be the best a citizen can. I vow to DO something about it should I ever have the oppurtunity to gun down a lunatic like at NIU, even if it means my own life. For a real American realizes that to give his own life to save two others is an honorable thing.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:11:56 PM
The most powerful thing we CHL holders can do is to FOLLOW THE LAW more so than we ever have. When I finished the classes I did, my awareness of when it is ok to shoot and what a CHL is all about increased 3x! I feel much more a responsible citizen and one who is actually DOING something to prevent or deter crime instead of blaming and being a victim.
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 11:10:07 PM
Davy- Any idea how many folks get denied in Texas? Sounds like TX has a plan that might be working. Glad to hear they take seriously the responsibility that must come with it.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:05:11 PM
What I think is funny about the whole liberal/conservative thing is that liberals are into not trusting the big bad USA government right? WHY DO THEY THINK US CONSERVATIVES HOARD OUR GUNS!!!???? It's cause we don't like the government either, we just are refusing to be victims............
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:03:22 PM
Interesting "Gun Stats"......Remember though, in Texas, one must go through a very serious background check and a written test and physical test where they must show they can shoot. Not all the "weirdos" can get a CHL. It is only for the cleanest of clean. Once again, this is why we as Texas CHL holders do not have a crime rate.
Citizen X
2/17/2008 11:00:19 PM
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. ?Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says . ?Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. ? Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing?
Citizen X
2/17/2008 10:59:48 PM
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."
Citizen X
2/17/2008 10:57:16 PM
I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. ?And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"
In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.
Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Gun Stats
2/17/2008 10:53:26 PM
I don't know, Davy (sounds too much like that animated Christian show, "Davey and Goliath"), I see a lot of hown grown idiots out there as well. Just look at how most people drive these days. Most can't respect the fact that the cars they drive can be deadly weapons. Do we want all of those same folks to be able to carry guns (and maybe you are not in support of widely issuing concealed permits - just seemed to fall into that topic).
GunStats
2/17/2008 10:46:39 PM
Univeristy of Utah study. Also showed that of the 30,000 firearm deaths each year, only 259 were grouped as justifiable homicide, i.e., use of a gun to prevent a crime. I am sure there are an equal amount of studies for either side. Look, I really do hope the concealed weapons program works in Texas (for the sake of all Texans). I'm not an anti-gun nut who thinks we should ban all guns. I just think that SOOOOOO many guns in the U.S. is not really such a good thing. I don't think a lot of people out there are responsible enough to be driving a 3,000 car either. I cringe to think of the day those same people can walk around with concealed handguns. I fear that are a lot of pinheads out there who will carry them (if it is made legal) not because they want to use them for protection, but because they think it'd cool or makes them tough.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:39:18 PM
Think about it, before we had the drug problem and the illegal immigrant problem, we had a lot less crime in our cities. It's not people like me, who actually pay taxes, income and property, that run the country, not suck off it.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:37:54 PM
THE REASON WHY THE USA IS ONE OF THE WORST WITH GUN CRIME? One reason of course is the decline of our own values and morals of course, but another is all the damn low-life country suck-offs we let move over here and all the ones who come illegally; get rid of them and the rate would probably drop 33% or so. Stop giving hand-outs to all the losers and maybe they would stop selling drugs and start working and understand the concept of respecting other and their property.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:34:06 PM
Check out this article and you can see that the USA is not the highest by a long shot amongst all countries in gun crime, but it is the highest amongst the most developed countries though I admit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:26:31 PM
What I think is funny about the whole liberal/conservative thing is that liberals are into not trusting the big bad USA government right? WHY DO THEY THINK US CONSERVATIVES HOARD OUR GUNS!!!???? It's cause we don't like the government either, we just are refusing to be victims............
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:23:20 PM
"Gun stats" where do you get these numbers? I am interested in following up on them.
littleblackdog
2/17/2008 10:23:04 PM
My heart goes out to the victims at NIU.. especially since they were not able to protect themselves! If just one or two students or teachers/professors had CCWs, had been extensively trained, and had been allowed to carry on campus, perhaps the death toll would have just been the crazy, vicious, subhuman shooter!!!! 'Nuff said! When will we learn that goblins walk among us, and they have guns, legally/illegally obtained, and are more than willing to use them on the sheep!!! An armed society is a polite society!!!! LBD
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:22:15 PM
USMC, you have to remember the anti-gun crowd is part of the "blame something else" crowd, they are blaming guns. It's an easy scapegoat for a society that doesn't take responsibility.
GunStats
2/17/2008 10:22:01 PM
More numbers - in 2001 there were just under 30,000 firearm related deaths in the U.S. Good for us. We finally managed the beat out Brazil, Mexico, and Estonia (the next three on the list for mosts deaths per 100,000 people).
USMC6154
2/17/2008 10:14:46 PM
Huging his kids may make him see that he needs to take extra care to make sure he doesnt raise a nut job who is going to shoot up a school. society is screwed up. blame the person who shot the other people. not the people who make a living selling items. i make lamps a a hobby. if someone leaves one on with a bulb that is higher rating than my lamp is marked for, burning the house down... is it my fault? NO!! the shooter and the shooters parents are to blame. not the man attempting to make a living selling things he enjoys dealing with as a hobby.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:09:15 PM
Starburst, no insult intended, but you show ignorance when you think that an oline company can directly sell a gun to someone. That is not how it works and it never has. It has to go through a local dealer and a background check, just like very other gun.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 10:06:27 PM
"Ididots with guns, bad idea", you say my definition of my generation is not the type of people you want with guns. Nice point, but read your statistics. CHL holders in Texas have 6.5x less of a tendency to commit a serious crime. That is why the program works in Texas, the honest people can regulate themselves. The concept of the government ruling over is new concept in the USA, ask your grandparents. Have you ever seen a Texas CHL holder on the news for committing a crime? Ever?
Starburst
2/17/2008 10:05:09 PM
Selling firearms is 1 step from the murder itself. I certainly understand People kill People, but providing firearms in such an easy and callous way makes it all happen. You are part of the problem as well.
The blood of all of these young adults death is on your hands.
liberalsuck
2/17/2008 8:50:00 PM
move to europe
Guns and rednecks
2/17/2008 8:13:56 PM
both such
Guns kill
2/17/2008 7:54:26 PM
guns are bad people, mmmmmmmkaaay
10inchblacksnake
2/17/2008 7:37:34 PM
also looking - call (512) 989-6784
Andrew-Clements
2/17/2008 7:35:54 PM
Is this the 10inchblacksnake.com message board? Any tops in the central TX looking to hook up?
Guns
2/17/2008 7:34:00 PM
kill
GunsSuck
2/17/2008 7:33:18 PM
Guns suck
DB
2/17/2008 7:33:02 PM
I don't know how you live with yourself. Hugging your children isn't going to bring those kids back.
Andy_Clements
2/17/2008 7:08:59 PM
Is this the dudesONdudes.com chatroom? Damn. How do you work this computer?
Idiots with guns = bad idea
2/17/2008 7:04:13 PM
Davy Crockett on his generation: "No longer do we have the concept of self-control and temperance. Responsibility is now a thing of the past." Perfect! Just the people we want running around with LEGAL concealed handguns!
Duh!
2/17/2008 6:49:54 PM
I noticed the TopGlock people have taken this thread off of their home page. What are you afraid of? Does the First Amendment scare you more than your Second Amendment rights? I thought we didn't have a laundry list of rights to choose from...that all are equal. Why are you more afraid of words than guns?
Drivers license
2/17/2008 6:38:59 PM
As exemplified by all of our friendly illegal aliens, ANYONE can get a drivers license in the US. Heck, they don't even have to take the test in English any more!
smart liberal
2/17/2008 6:33:11 PM
thanks for that. It's refreshing to see someone actually has something constructive to say around here. I'm so utterly bored with all this liberal-bashing.
Guns-4-Life
2/17/2008 6:31:05 PM
I agree with all of those ideas. It should be at least as difficult to own a gun as it is to get a driver's license. And guns don't kill people. Assholes with guns kill people.
SOME IDEAS
2/17/2008 6:26:25 PM
I'd like to see a few changes in gun policy. First, even more severe penalties for selling, purchasing, owning, or transporting illegal firearms. Everyone here seems to think, "if the psycho killer didn't buy his gun legally, he'd get it on the street." Well, let's make every aspect of that transaction a life-in-prison offense. Second, to own a gun, everyone should be required to take and pass a course in basic gun safety. If you want to own a gun, you should be able to demonstrate you can use that gun responsibly and not shoot yourself or your neighbor's kid in the head by accident. And finally, and this one seems very difficult to enforce, anyone treated for serious mental illness should actually lose their right to own a gun.
Who has the answer?
2/17/2008 6:13:42 PM
Ok sparky heres the question. Many of you say that if people are armned daily then psychos would be dealt with with minimal destruction to all around. Ok, so at ALL the school murders and malls in just one year who among the victims was armed or those around them and why still is there such a high murder rate in these circumstances. Surely in Merica at least in some of these situations someone at least one or perhaps more were armed yet we still have massive dead children counts. If people are armed why>
Guns-4-Life
2/17/2008 6:13:02 PM
I think the problem is complicated. On the one hand guns are very ingrained in our culture. Owning guns is part of our American identity, and that's not going to change. At the same time, the vast majority (myself included) of legal gun owners are neither criminals nor are we, what I would call "NRA crazies". We're mostly just normal people who responsibly own guns for sport and home defense. We do things like take voluntary classes in gun safety, and keep our guns locked up when not in use, and the very last thing I would ever want is for my gun to accidentally kill someone, or get stolen and be used in a crime. The main problem as I see it, is the GUN LOBBY and the NRA have created a political situation where it's heresy to even discuss public policy, enforcement or legal methods to prevent guns from getting into the hands of the wrong people.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 5:55:14 PM
No kidding, Drew. Do these people actually believe that making more laws will stop human nature? That's like stating that telling a tiger "you stop being a bad tiger!" "stop eating people and no claws either! It's the law". HUMANS WILL ALWAYS BE VIOLENT, LAWS DO NOT CHANGE OUR NATURE. HELLO!
Drew Hill
2/17/2008 5:50:22 PM
Would it make you liberals feel better if they killers used bombs as the terrorists do? Do you think the tools and sense to make those doesn't exist here?
johndoe
2/17/2008 5:49:59 PM
Gun Free Zones = high body bag count. We have a right to defend ourselves from these psychopaths but our rights are violated when laws prevent us from carrying concealed.
Drew Hill
2/17/2008 5:48:02 PM
It's similar to how there are 1000's more deaths in other countries (Most of the Middle East, many African nations, parts of Asia). It's the PEOPLE. It's not a very hard concept to grasp.
Drew Hill
2/17/2008 5:44:58 PM
Yes, read the last paragraph I posted.
smart liberal
2/17/2008 5:38:44 PM
Okay, I'm not interested in name calling. Since all you gun-guys act like you have an answer for anything, here's the situation we find ourselves in:
-- There's a school or workplace shooting almost every day in our country.
-- In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries.
-- American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
Anyone out there have any workable ideas on how to stop this?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 5:37:06 PM
LIKE I SAID EARLIER, you ask why USA has this problem of the school killings. That is a VERY good question. Automatic weapons have been around for 130+ years and now they are suddenly a problem? That factor has remained constant. The only thing that has changed is society. My generation (and I am sad to admit this) has become too much of a victim and entitlement society. No longer to we have the values of yesteryear. No longer do we have the concept of self-control and temperance. Responsibility is now a thing of the past. Too many people think they are owed something and want a handout. Everyone wants to be PC when PC is not realistic and life is not nice. The answer my friend is people have degraded in their character in this country and that is the biggest problem we face as Americans. The only hope for improvement is that we stop the blame game in this country and start teaching our children to stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their fellow man.
Weapon of Choice
2/17/2008 4:43:36 PM
Actually, this website and gun lovers and consitition and mericans fucking each other for morsals are my weapon of choice for We Are On THe Eve of Destruction My Friend. Hey catchy tune maybe it should be a song. When you lose count of the total names on the wall in Washington and Ill be you dont know the total as of this minute in Iraq and then CUT and RUN yup I serve a purpose by reminding youse over and over and over again that of which Mericans want to forget about, Merica loves to hate, fight and assumen the world wants their way of life, Say when you travel if you have the balls do you wear anyting to identify u as Merican? Or do you pretend your Canadian? Yup Merica is hated but ask yourself why? Of course you wont like the answer Mr Merican
Ball-Peen yourself!
2/17/2008 4:18:28 PM
Davy, its idiots like Mr. "Merica" who can do nothing but throw about insults and lower the collective intelligence of liberals. Its because he has no concept of reality and cannot hold an intelligent backing to his words. Let him throw profanity... it just makes him look like a fool. I'm sure "Intelligent" liberals despise him too, for he is one of those wackos on the brink of destruction. Hopefully he doesn't use a gun when he snaps. He should use something with virtually no legislation... How about a fire axe? A ball-peen hammer? Why don't you bash yourself in the head with a ball-peen hammer, Mr. "Merica"? Do the world a favor, disappear. You add absolutely NOTHING to this conversation.
Cleetus? Is that you? Hey, ma, get of the dang roof!
2/17/2008 4:11:54 PM
I cannot understand it: "the Liberals would think its ok, but when they are shot..."
Huh? Think abortion is ok.. but when we are shot? Think gun control is OK... but when they are shot???? Nice sentence construction. You write real smart there, Cleetus. If I am shot, it's because you redneck idiots so filled this country with guns that anyone can get one and shoot up a classroom.
I also find it funny that conservatives talk about it being their RIGHT to chose to own guns, yet they demand to take away the choice of women related to their own bodies. Cuz Jesus done said it's wrong.
Wake Up
2/17/2008 4:10:04 PM
I can not understand it- What are you talking about?? Abortion? Come on man, to suggest that gun control and abortion are some how related is crazy.
Machine gun Davy
2/17/2008 4:08:37 PM
No but thank you for asking. Is this more civilized dip shit? Actually I machine gunned the ants to death...ratatatatatttttattatartrtrtrter. Signed Moses aka Charleton Heston still drooling pissing and fart in my diaper,
I cannot understand it...
2/17/2008 3:57:52 PM
Liberal Democrats have no problem defending abortion...the Liberals would think its ok, but when they are shot...
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:40:38 PM
The only change that will ever be seen in America will have to come from the individual. A country's condition is a direct reflection of the choices it's people make. Liberals can't keep blaming Conservatives nor vice-versa. We must ask ourselves what can WE do?
Libfags?
2/17/2008 3:39:56 PM
DaveM55 - hey Brokeback Mountain boy-- Larry Craig is waiting for you in the mens room.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:38:22 PM
No, firing machine guns does not make me feel strong. Firearms are only one of my hobbies. I like several things. It does not make one weird just becaus they don't think like you bud. Isn't that the definition of bigotry?
WTF
2/17/2008 3:36:56 PM
No need for such hatred and name calling whoever this guy is. Make a point or go away.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:35:24 PM
You know, I have been fairly nice and civilized in my addressing of you. Could you please be civil and return the favor? Please avoid the insults. I simply am not a stupid person, nor a red-neck, nor do I have low paying job. Not to mention I have not insulted you and stooped to that level. Come on.
Right Davy
2/17/2008 3:31:36 PM
Davy what bear scent have you been sniffing when you say "the good old days" of generations past. Mericans have permanently fucked up the past, present and futre. If you dumb statement held water then why aren't you still living on that fucking mountain top huntin coons and wear dead carcasses if the "good old days of generations past" would return by all of us standing in a circle holding hands singing, Cumba BYB BYE. Mericans dumber than their constitution allowing guns.
Machine gun Davy
2/17/2008 3:30:23 PM
Crock of shit- Did you burn ants with a magnifying glass as a kid? Kick dogs? Do you also collect poisonous snakes as pets? Does firing a machine gun make you feel important or strong?
DaveM55
2/17/2008 3:29:19 PM
You gun hating libfags ought to go kill yourselves.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:27:14 PM
Liberals and conservatives alike, we all sit here and point fingers at each other and everything else in the world but ourselves. It is OUR fault that these things happen. It is up to US together to reshape the moral and value system of this country. Then and only then will things go back to "the good old days" of generations past.
Who Was Really On THat Plane?
2/17/2008 3:25:35 PM
Bush says he gave personal order allowing his Saudi friends permission to take off while all other aircraft were being grounded. Why? How was on that so important flight? Sure as hell wasn't Saudis...try the so called terrorists who purportedly were the hijackers. None of them died...they are alive and well fucking blonde Merican girls (whores).
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:24:20 PM
GAHOOK, you ask why USA has this problem of the school killings. That is a VERY good question. Automatic weapons have been aroud for 130+ years and now they are suddenly a problem? That factor has remained constant. The only thing that has changed is society. My generation (and I am sad to admit this) has become too much of a victim and entitlement society. No longer to we have the values of yesteryear. No longer do we have the concept of self-control and temperance. Responsibility is now a thing of the past. Too many people think they are owed something and want a handout. Everyone wants to be PC when PC is not realistic and life is not nice. The answer my friend is people have degraded in their character in this country and that is the biggest problem we face as Americans. The only hope for improvement is that we stop the blame game in this country and start teaching our children to stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their fellow man.
Mericans Can't Spell
2/17/2008 3:21:52 PM
relax, the dumb fuck..i am still reeling over the word ismail on the va shooters arm" couldn't spell or his tattoo artist. Meant to have tattooed, EMail not Ismail. Dumb Mericans.
I Beleive Thank God I Believe
2/17/2008 3:18:45 PM
SHit, you dummies believ anything on the www? THis fucking site is a perfect example of bullshit to order. THe only authoritative voice is Lou Dobbs...
nic name
2/17/2008 3:17:31 PM
i wonder is there an unseen connection that revealed the 2 diffeent web sites to the shooters..i am still reeling over the word ismail on the va shooters arm.. and the fact his room mate and friends were muslims..might this be the hidden connection..
Mericans Perverse Country
2/17/2008 3:16:36 PM
Some guy wears a dead animal on his head and you make a hero out of him. Bush is dyslexic and you don't make him anything near a war hero: Mission Accomplished, WMDs, FEAR, FEMA, Ata boy Brownie (katrina), NO CHild Left Behind, Axis of Evil, Korea (snore), Not too SWIFT, We got him (wrong guy), yellow paste radioactive Niger, Fear, Fear, Fear. If you say it often enough they will believe it. Make the bastard chase you...they will come! What a bunch of dumb fuck Mericans.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:15:14 PM
"Gun make him cool", YES a shooter can shoot more than thrity people with a deer rifle. It has actually HAPPENED before. Look up Charles Whittman on Wikipedia.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:13:13 PM
As far as owning Assault rifles, they are fun. I like to shoot them for recreation. Plus, I collect as a secondary reason. Personal defense with them is only a tertiary reason.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 3:13:08 PM
also, gahook, you need to check the FBI's UCRs. Your claims about the south are not true. The city with the highest murder rate in America is Baltimore, which is in an extremely gun-unfriendly state. DC, which has completely banned guns, is close behind. I believe at least a couple of California cities, where gun ownership and carry are effectively banned, are the top ten as well.
gahook
2/17/2008 3:12:30 PM
To the poster who says they have all this information comparing countries. Here is something simple for you. 14,000 killed by guns in the US in 2005 and 50 in Britian. Is that simple enough to understand? Here are a few sites to see: http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/27/2/214.pdf http://www.iansa.org/regions/asiapacific/gun_laws_save_lives.htm
I know, requires reading and understanding facts, but give it a try once in your lives.
honky tonk and uppity
2/17/2008 3:11:16 PM
How can you trust a guy who was born on a mountain top?Obviously, his viewpoint is always "looking down" on others! And, what the fuck is this "I'm a man of the cloth" shit. I'm a knight of the round table so what! Unless the cloth is kevlar. martin?
Guns make him COOL
2/17/2008 3:11:14 PM
Crock of Shit- Well assassinations are easier with such guns. Do you think the V Tech shooter could have killed 30 with a bolt action rifle (which does in fact have a legitimate purpose for hunting)? Seriously, why on earth would you need 4 machine guns? Did your mother not love you enough? Did the other students make fun of you? Christ, man, take up fly fishing or chess if you need a hobby.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:10:57 PM
GAHOOK, you are correct with the Glock 19 statement. You can get clips from 10-33 rounds. My point was it doesn't matter. What if he chose to get up in a tower just like Charles Whittman? What is he used explosives? If a terrorist from a third world country can do it, what makes you think someone here can not? Your point is moot.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 3:10:11 PM
gahook, are you capable of posting specifics, or are you going to continue pushing your general (and meaningless) assertions about gun violence? What states? What laws? What crimes? Stop posting ambiguous bullshit. Man up and post something specific and verifiable.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 3:07:57 PM
Columbine killed twelve people. The recent drag racing incident in California, which got what, 1/1000th of the attention, killed eight. How many people die in Iraq in one day? How many get killed by car accidents in a day? Sorry, but school shootings, while great for the press, have not accumulated huge body counts.
Step aside conservatives
2/17/2008 3:04:39 PM
Ah, you conservatives have done such a great job in the past eight years. The world hates us, our economy is tanking, and we are in a pointless and endless war. Please just step aside, get back to your NASCAR races, bible readings, and banjo pickin', and turn the country back over to the educated and rational thinkers. We will take it from here.
gahook get educated
2/17/2008 3:02:24 PM
I am posting these Wikipedia articles for your benefit, gahook. The best one is the part where it says: "Research comparing various countries' violent crime rates, murder rates, and crimes committed with weapons, have found that legal ownership of guns, including concealed carry guns, generally reduces crime rates." What say you to this? You have no defense, because you have no logic, no facts, no history. Again I say, get educated. When you can have an intelligent conversation about it, THEN come back.
gahook
2/17/2008 3:01:38 PM
For the record, Davy, here are the questions you've avoided. Why are there more mass shootings now with more lax gun laws? Why is the US the only country with this problem? Why is the murder rate in the south higher than anywhere else in the country?
WTF
2/17/2008 3:00:32 PM
'Davy Crockett' why do you feel the need to own FOUR MACHINE GUNS????? thats probably just the beginning of your arsenal. Planning on starting a war of your own?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 3:00:15 PM
And.......There is more than that when it comes to killings with bolt-action rifles. JFK was killed by shooters with bolt-actions. MLK was killed by a shooter with a bolt action. Abraham Lincoln was killed by a one-shot daranger (short pocket pistol for all the liberals). And what's also funny is the deer rifles that you liberals aren't scared of are typically 2-4x more powerful, accurate and dealy than an AK-47 or even a Tommy Gun! You are truly uninformed in your facts.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:59:40 PM
Oh, Davy's back with his dribble. Columbine happened with what? 9 mm semi-automatic carbine was one of the weapons. Yeah, a semi-automatic weapon. You are trying to frame it that only large machine guns are part of the argument on gun control. How about the glock 19 used at VaTech capable of 33 rounds before reloading? Doesn't that classify as a weapon that should be regulated as any nut can get his hands on one and possibly kill 33 people before reloading?
I big gun does not make you a man
2/17/2008 2:58:26 PM
More Info- You gun freaks created the problem (that this country is full of guns) by crying like a bunch of babies anytime reasonable gun control laws were proposed. It is true that criminals can get guns easily. How could they not? You gun freaks have filled this nation full of guns. Nice work! You created the problem ---- now FIX IT!
Wake Up
2/17/2008 2:56:44 PM
More Info how hard do you think it would be to take the guns away from the people who write into this forum? Then re-read your post. What do you think it means?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:55:53 PM
I don't think it made any difference what so ever if they banned machine guns. I myself own four. My point is that one can use any gun to kill, even non-scary ones. It is the individual who chooses. And FYI, machine guns are actually legal to own and shoot and always have been. They are just HEAVILY controlled. Bet Hillary and Obama didn't tell you that.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:52:38 PM
Since I know you two are going to evade the statement I just made about a recent gun law, since an answer to that would actually require some knowledge of guns, the subject of this blog, I will just skip past that and ask you to re-ask me your questions because we all know mine don't matter. Please re-type what you want to know.
More info
2/17/2008 2:51:48 PM
I know... Liberals just hate facts... let me continue.: Don Kates summarizes the consensus reached by criminological research into gun control thus:
"Unfortunately, an almost perfect inverse correlation exists between those who are affected by gun laws, particularly bans, and those whom enforcement should affect. Those easiest to disarm are the responsible and law abiding citizens whose guns represent no meaningful social problem. Irresponsible and criminal owners, whose gun possession creates or exacerbates so many social ills, are the ones most difficult to disarm."[17]
You can read more about Don Kates at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Kates
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:50:31 PM
GAHOOK, from your non-confrontation of the subject, I see your admission. If you want more modern history take your pal Jim Brady. He was hit in the head when President Reagan was shot. The shooter, Hinckley, used a SIX SHOT, .22 REVOLVER. Not a big scawy automatic gun. What was the liberal crowd's emotional reaction? They brought about the Crime Bill/Brady Bill of 1994. This bill restricted the COSMETIC/AESTHETIC features of semi-auto rifles. They still shot the same power of ammo and still shot at the same rate of speed. the law also made it where newly manufactured magazines had to be under 10 rounds, but you could go to the next eisle at Cabelas and get a couple of the 100,000,000+ 30 round magazines already manufactured before the deadline. Man, that does a lot of good their liberals. YOUR OWN POLITICIANS LIE TO YOU. THEY GIVE YOU A BUNCH OF FEEL GOOD LAWS THAT CHANGE NOTHING. why do you think that law sunsetted in 2004?
gahook
2/17/2008 2:46:43 PM
Davy, you still there? You won't answer basic questions. You seem to be wrapped up in the gun control law of 1968. Fewer mass murders in the late 60's and 70's. Repealing laws, now there are monthly mass shootings. Hmmm... do you see a connection there?
WTF
2/17/2008 2:46:08 PM
'Davy Crockett' you are not making much sence to me either. And if you are the expert then why aren't you answering my Question too?
Gun! What are they good for?
2/17/2008 2:44:53 PM
Davy Crock of Shit- You are talking about ONE instance of a sniper in a clock tower with a bolt action rifle. Do you REALLY think is was a bad idea to ban automatic weapons?
gahook
2/17/2008 2:43:57 PM
So, why are there more mass shootings now than in the 60's and 70's?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:43:01 PM
GAHOOK, THEY WERE AVAIALABLE THEN! HELLO! 95% of every major machine gun "available today" was around back then. You speak from complete ignornace. I mean this not as an insult, but in the literal sense.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:41:33 PM
Oh, another thing that hasn't been answered. Monthly we have mass shootings now, poor ol' Davy Crockett is looking at history and picking out individual events that may back up his statement. He still has not answered why there are more mass shootings now, with more lax gun laws. I guess that question answered itself. Oh, those incidents don't back up his statement though.
Gun Idiots
2/17/2008 2:41:20 PM
I trust the police more than I do a bunch of NASCAR loving, hot headed rednecks using their own discretion to determine when it is OK to pull out their guns in public and start shooting at each other because their perceive a threat. I don't need you to protect me, Cleetus.
Out here in Arizona we had to pass a law to stop the gun lovin ' rednecks from shooting their guns in the air on New Years Eve because they killed a girl a few years back. Seriously, I can hear them doing it every year (and on July 4th). Bunch of Yosemite Sams out here.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:39:31 PM
Here are the murder rates by state:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169
The states with the most lax gun laws and higher population seem to have a much higher murder rate. Also, the south for regions have the highest murder rate in the country.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:38:04 PM
SO, GAHOOK, now that you know those gun were available, what do you now have to say about the Gun Control Act of 1968? They restricted automatic weapons further when all the violence was from bolt-action rifles. Can't you admit these types of laws are purely emotionally driven and not logical?
gahook
2/17/2008 2:37:46 PM
Oh, and another thing. I said the weapons of today weren't available then, if you'd bother to read my post, you'd have seen that one too. I understand that the insults are easier than actual reading, but try reading once in a while. Also, for such a weapons expert, you seem to not be able to read the posts and answer the question about your precious guns.
WTF
2/17/2008 2:37:24 PM
None of you pro-GUN folks seem to be answering my questions either. DO each one of you GUN OWNERS go through a regular psychiatric evaluation to assess if you are still mentally capable of owning a GUN? If 'Yes' then how regularly, if 'No' then why not?
Gun Idiots
2/17/2008 2:37:13 PM
I trust the police more than I do a bunch of NASCAR loving, hot headed rednecks using their own discretion to determine when it is OK to pull out their guns in public and start shooting at each other because their perceive a threat. I don't need you to protect me, Cleetus.
Some more info
2/17/2008 2:36:28 PM
Again from Wikipedia. Take it for what is worth...: The effect of various concealed carry laws are the subject of past and present research. In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, pro-gun scholar John Lott's analysis of crime report data has shown some statistically significant effects of concealed carry laws. One major conclusion was that locations which enacted more permissive concealed carry laws had a decrease in violent crime but an increase in property crime.
See the whole article at : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
gahook
2/17/2008 2:33:36 PM
What were the laws on these weapons then? You seem to be the expert.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:31:49 PM
GAHOOK, Yes indeed semi-automatic and automatic weapons existed back then and were much easier to get than now. AK-47s were invented in 1947 for example, and the M-16 was invented and available before 1968. The Thompson "Tommy Gun" Submachine gun was invented in the 10s/20s. In fact automatic/semi-automatic weapons AND handguns have been around for 130+ years. SO YES THEY DID HAVE THOSE WEAPONS AVAILABLE. Your only view of automatic weapons is what the media tells you, not to mention the movies. Have you actually ever shot an automatic rifle? do you have any real first hand knowledge of what you have such a strong opinion about? By your own admission, you don't even know what guns were available back then. That says alot about your knowledge on firearms in general.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:31:35 PM
Some cold hard facts: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms says there are more than 200 million guns in America – there may be as many as one for every man, woman and child; 14,000 people were killed by guns in the US in 2005, compared with 50 in Britain; of every 10 handguns sold, four change hands without background checks.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 2:30:58 PM
Police departments have been known to deliberately screen out high-IQ applicants because they thought these applicants would get bored with police work. Look it up if you don't believe me. I'm also not enthused about the idea of waiting five minutes for a cop (who might be one of the many who shoots once a year at qualifications) to show up and rescue me. I guess I'm completed screwed if I have to call on a cell phone and burn an additional minute describing my location to the dispatcher. I'm also screwed if I'm stuck in a lecture hall and a gunman has decided to chain the doors shut to delay police response, or if the police have to stage when they can't a safe route in. When seconds count, the police WILL BE minutes away.
Wake Up
2/17/2008 2:27:24 PM
Davy Crock of Shit- If you are talking about Charles Joseph Whitman, yes he was able to kill lots of people with a bolt action rifle. What you may be selectively forgetting is that he also had a superior location and didn't do it over the course of a couple of minutes like in the shootings at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and NIU. Do you really think a bolt action rifle and glock are the same? Yes they can both kill, but if you look at the video on this site (click the upper left must see video link on this screen) I think it is obvious which gun would be more lethal in a crowded room.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:27:12 PM
What are you pro-gun folks afraid of that you feel the need to arm yourselves against? Is it you are afraid of everything and need the comfort of a gun to make you secure?
Gun Idiots
2/17/2008 2:22:59 PM
Criminals will find guns no matter what because you pro-gun idiots have for years fought ANY gun control. As a result, we are a nation full of guns. But that does not mean you should continue with your stupidity because of the problem YOU created. Your argument is now that you MUST have guns to protect yourself against the very problem you created. Nice job!
WTF
2/17/2008 2:22:45 PM
DO each one of you GUN OWNERS go through a regular psychiatric evaluation to assess if you are still mentally capable of owning a GUN? The reason I ask is because it doesn't take much to draw a person over the edge. There's only a very thin line between normal and psycho. Normal today, psycho tomorrow, no problem.
Lots of idiots out there.
2/17/2008 2:17:56 PM
Do you really want to live in a country where every idiot (you do know the average IQ is 100) is carrying a gun and is full of testosterone? Every time they feel threatened they start shooting at each other? I don't know about you, but I would much rather have just a select few, i.e., the police, charged with that task. I mean, really, have you taken a look at the average person lately? There are a lot of morons out there. Most of them should not be allowed to drive a car. I don't want them carrying guns!
gahook
2/17/2008 2:15:57 PM
Bob, cite your source.
More Info (Continued)
2/17/2008 2:15:18 PM
Recently, however, the homicide rate has stagnated.[12] While the homicide rate decreased continuously between 1991 and 2000 from 9.8 homicides per 100,000 persons to 5.5 per 100,000, it has remained level through 2005. In the years between 2000 and 2005 the homicide rate has remained at its all time low between 5.5 and 5.7 homicides per 100,000 individuals. Despite the recent stagnation of the homicide rate, however, property and violent crimes overall have continued to decrease, though at a considerably slower pace than in the 1990s.[12] Overall the crime rate in the US was the same in 2004 as in 1969, with the homicide rate being roughly the same as in 1966. Violent crime overall, however, is still at the same level as in 1974, despite having decreased steadily since 1991.[11]
More info
2/17/2008 2:14:53 PM
This is from Wikipedia, which is a good source, but don't believe EVERYTHING you read of course... Crime in the United States has fluctuated considerably over the course of the past half-century, rising significantly in the late 1960s and 1970s, while decreasing considerably in the 1990s. Over the past twenty years, the crime rate rose throughout the 1980s, reached its peak in 1991 and has decreased. Recent statistics indicate crime is again increasing[12]. The year 2005 was overall the safest year in the past thirty years. The recent overall decrease has reflected upon all significant types of crime, with all violent and property crimes having decreased and reached an all-time low. The homicide rate in particular has decreased over 42% between its record high point in 1991 and 2005.
The South Will NEVER Rise Again
2/17/2008 2:13:14 PM
Hmmmm... not banning cars because, although they CAN kill, banning them would shut down the entire US economy because we can't transport people and goods.... not banning guns because THEY DO KILL, yet a VERY SMALL percentage of people might use them for shooting skeet. I don't think the two arguments are equal.
WTF
2/17/2008 2:12:57 PM
The pro-GUN lobbyists only answer whatever is convenient to them.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 2:12:34 PM
Bill, that's a better idea than most of what I've been seeing here, but still seriously lacking. Why? In Texas, I believe about 1% of the population has a concealed handgun license. If carry is restricted to instructors, the only ones who carry will be those who want to carry (in the wake the shootings, let's say that's 5%) which will result in very limited coverage. Allowing those who are already licensed under state law to carry is the only appropriate option. Most college students won't be allowed to carry, and those who are will be older than the majority (at least 21). These students are already allowed to carry virtually everywhere else and in Texas, they have created no problems.
Bob
2/17/2008 2:11:30 PM
No one has answered you gahook because we're too busy rolling our eyes. Do some research before making a comment like that. texas, utah, wyoming, montana...all have lower gun crime than illinois and other states with strict gun laws
gahook
2/17/2008 2:10:30 PM
I find it real interesting that no one answers simple questions such as 1. Why is the US the only country with these mass shootings going on? 2. Why do murder rates drop in states with stricter gun laws? 3. Why is there a direct line between our laws and the amount of mass shootings here? 4. Name one country with strict gun control laws that have mass shootings every month as they are here.
Bob
2/17/2008 2:05:41 PM
The kind of person who walks into a classroom and shoots everyone he can...the kind of person who breaks in at night and rapes your wife when youre not home. the kind of person who goes on a killing spree dumping bodies in the woods...the kind of person who feels we dont need to defend ourselves.
WTF
2/17/2008 2:05:19 PM
All you pro-GUN cronies make me sick. You keep blaming the psycho's for the killings, yet you fail to understand there is a very thin line between normal and psycho. Do each one of you Gun owners go through a regular psychiatric evaluation to assess if you are still mentally stable & capable of owning a gun. I don't think so. And it doesn't take much to draw a person over the edge.
gahook
2/17/2008 2:05:02 PM
Davy Crockett, was it legal for anyone to have automatic or semi-automatic weapons in 1968? I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that the automatic or semi-automatic weapons of today weren't available in 1968 so it would make sense that those weapons weren't used then. Oh, BTW, putting everything in capital letters doesn't make you any more right. Also, I'm still waiting for anyone to answer the simple question: Why do states with lax gun laws have a higher murder rate than those with stricter gun laws? How come no one will answer that one?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 2:05:00 PM
Interesting how no anti-gunners comment on the illogical reasons why "gun control" laws are put into place. They further restrict automatic weapons when killing sprees back then invovled one shot at a time, low capacity bolt-action rifles.
Are you smarter than a redneck?
2/17/2008 2:02:03 PM
Bob- What is a "pshyco"?
Man of God?
2/17/2008 1:58:34 PM
Rev. Goff - Stand up for what you believe in? Guns? And you call yourself a man of God. How sad.
Bob
2/17/2008 1:54:03 PM
It was mentioned earlier that guns sole purpse is to kill. But guess what? so is a pshyco's sole purpose...meaning that person will find a way to kill with or without guns.
A good article
2/17/2008 1:53:41 PM
I know reality isn't something Liberals consider very often, but please read this article thoroughly. Even ask your parents for help, if the words start to confuse you...
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1451
Bob
2/17/2008 1:51:22 PM
fight guns all you want... or untill something tragic happens and you wish you could have done something about it. Criminals will find guns nomatter what.
Bill O. Rights
2/17/2008 1:47:20 PM
The 2nd Amendment...
I think college professors (general term including instructors, TAs, profs...so on) should be allowed to exercise their right to bear arms. That way, in a class room they could pull out a pistol and neutralize the assailant. It is a risk, but you could end an incident with minimal or zero casualties.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 1:46:09 PM
ANTI GUNNERS: Let me point out something to you I feel is interesting, in civil conversation of course. Do you remember the Gun Control Act of 1968? It imposed serious regulations on machine guns and what are considered destructive devices. They brought this into law because of the recent assassinations of JFK and MLK and from the mentally unstable Charles Whittman who shot-up the Texas campus, shooting nearly 50 people from a tower (all didn't die though). What is interesting is NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY USED AUTOMATIC WEAPONS IN THEIR RAMPAGES. THEY USED COMMONLY ACCPETED DEER RIFLES THAT SHOOT ONE SHOT AT A TIME!! That is not logical.
Bob
2/17/2008 1:44:52 PM
My friend's girlfriend was in the classroom of the shooting at niu. She is MAJOR anti-gun. Do you know what she said after the shooting in tears? "If I had a gun I would have shot that basterd myself before he did what he did"
Ignorant
2/17/2008 1:43:34 PM
My POINT is, you know NOTHING about guns, so stop thinking you know what you are talking about! Until you can hold an intelligent, knowledgable conversation, shut the hell up!
Loudmouthed Texan
2/17/2008 1:40:47 PM
Wow gahook, blatantly ripping off Chris Rock's "bullet control" routine is definitely gonna give you the upper hand. Hate to tell ya this, but people can make their own ammo. It's called reloading.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 1:37:53 PM
GAHOOK, I am not threatening anyone. I am just being realistic. Anti and pro-gunners should get along. Each other's points of view aren't changing. I, like any other progunner, do state however that I will only use my guns for lawful purposes and will defend, to the death, my right to have them. I don't see any threats there bud.
Stupid is as Liberals Say
2/17/2008 1:37:17 PM
Davy, just ignore the personal insults. That's how Liberals who have no LOGIC defend themselves. They live in "Fantasy Hillary/Obama Land". Let's let them stay there.
WTF
2/17/2008 1:36:09 PM
"The recent school shootings have all been with SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons." Wow thats going to be worth a whole lot of consolation to the grieving families. Good job you pro-Gun freaks.
Ignorant
2/17/2008 1:32:42 PM
gahook - yet AGAIN, your ignorance shows clear - these are NOT AUTOMATIC WEAPONS! The recent school shootings have all been with SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons. I know this doesn't make sense to you. Learn some basic principles about how guns operate before you state another ignorant word on this forum!
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 1:32:16 PM
Must we jump to insults men? I never claimed having a gun made me a man. My hard work, my contribution to society, my character and integrity is what makes me a man. I never claimed otherwise.
gahook
2/17/2008 1:26:28 PM
Ok, how's this for an idea. You can have all the guns you want, but, bullets will be regulated. The cost of the bullet will depend on the weapon it is going into. For example, BB's, that can't cause much damage, will be on the bottom of the scale, but you want bullets for automatic weapons will cost a fortune, starting at $5000 a clip. That way, poor white trash can't commit mass murders anymore.
gahook
2/17/2008 1:18:12 PM
I'm still waiting for an answer on why states with lax gun laws have a higher murder rate than those states with tougher gun laws. Any takers out there?
WTF
2/17/2008 1:16:40 PM
'Davy Crockett' you need to be less of a COWARD and more of a man. Owning a GUN doesn't make you a real man or a real american, you do know that right?
gahook
2/17/2008 1:16:30 PM
Hey "Davy Crockett", that sounds like a veiled threat. Are you threatening those you don't agree with? Are you threatening anyone with your guns? If you are, you are living, breathing proof that the laws are too lax that you are able to get your hands on anything.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 1:14:30 PM
Hey CON,
Your message below is a pretty good statement, but not entirely accurate. In Texas it has been documented that a CHL holder is 6.5x less likely to commit a serious crime than those who do not. We have had that law here in Texas for 10 years and have pioneered the movement. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN AN HONEST TEXAN CHL HOLDER ON THE NEWS FOR COMMITTING A CRIME? You haven't.
Message From: CON on 2/17/2008 12:48:55 PM
"wow, how shortsighted and idiotic these people are. again, if you arm everybody - everybodys in danger. human beings are emotional creatures, many are volatile, i don't want the next guy whose wife left him, or got sacked, or even got cut up on the motorway to have a gun on him - thats absolutely insane. even if 90% of people wouldn't use their gun stupidly or in anger, that other ten percent leaves 2.5 million of you in the USA, armed, who would. logic." - well said.
Bob
2/17/2008 1:14:27 PM
Pretty simple explaination "wake up" A: If I clearly have a gun on me, do you really think someone will pull a knife out in front of me? B: Having a gun increases my chances of survival over not having a gun period. You dont know what the outcome or situation will be. I'd rather be prepared
Great Answer! Not!
2/17/2008 1:11:57 PM
stevand - Come on - what psycho when buying a gun is going to answer the purpose questions with: "Well, I'm depressed, and I stopped taking my drugs, so I figured I'd go to a random gun-free zone and start plugging innocent UNARMED citizens".
Come on! Its the nut behind the trigger killing people. End of story. Plus there are DOZENS of sites on the Internet that this Lunatic could have ordered the magazines (this is the thingy that holds bullets for the antigun people who know nothing about guns), and holster (this is the thingy that holds the gun on your body). Blaming TGSCOM or his other sites for this tragedy is almost as idiotic as the idiot who committed the crime! Think about it for just one second instead of running off at the mouth right away!!!!!!!!
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 1:08:13 PM
"WTF", do truly believe that all your anti-gun points are going to change the fact that me and all other pro-gun people will always be armed? You should just shoose to accept it, it's not changing. We can live in peace or not, but we will always have our guns.
Wake up
2/17/2008 1:07:29 PM
Explain to me how having a gun on you when someone suprises you is going to do you any good. If they already have their gun, or knife at you throat wouldn't pulling out a gun just get you shot (that is unless your the fastest draw in the West)
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 1:05:31 PM
Davey, I'm checking out. It's been nice. However, I did make a mistake on my brother's age, 58, not 48...Guns can be used for recreation with skill. Guns can be used for the wrong purposes too. But, in order for me to protect my family, others and myself, I need to trust God, and my gun would be the alternative, close at hand. I have been trained. I've been in situations where I needed one. But I didn't have to use. That's the choice. Have the gun, then the decision is ours, use it or not use it when the situation arrives. It's either yes or no. We don't need to resort to violence. But if I had to use it, yes, then I would use it. If not, then I back down. I need to go. I will however be back later if things calm down.
stevand
2/17/2008 1:02:19 PM
all gun tragedies could somewhat be prevented had we asked the consumer "What his purpose is for buying firearms,and or firearms accesories?" Then analyzing the consumer's story to see if it fact something just doesn't seem right, or if his story seems legit. Come on people!! You can surely can single out the fakes psychos versus the knowledgable hunter that are real sportsman.
Bob
2/17/2008 12:58:58 PM
no CON I live 25 minutes away from NIU and has a brother who goes there!!!
Bob
2/17/2008 12:57:20 PM
Ok, for you anti-gun people. From now on, when the girl is on the news crying because she was just raped, when you hear of an old man killed for his wallet, when you hear of the family that was tied up and killed. Show no sympathy, In fact take blame, knowing they could have prevented it if they would have just had a firearm to protect themselves. Or please, come up with ways for me to defend myself when someone comes after me with a knife or points a gun at me. I have a right to defend myself damnit. LEAVE IT ALONE
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:53:21 PM
Believe it or not, we are who we are. We can't change that, but yes, it's a sin. I had a younger brother, who died at the age of 28 in 1988. He was gay. I miss him. I mis what he could have been. He did, however, thru the help of his twin sister, accept God before dying of cancer. My Mother, who was taking care of him, died 5 months to the day, before him in 1987. However, I'm grateful they are no longer here to see and hear of what is going on in the world. My Mother would have been 88 this past Feb. 3rd, my brother 48 Jan. 14th. He died 8 days after his birthday. My Mother would not let us have play guns while growing up. Therefore, all of us kids did the exact same, no play guns.
CON
2/17/2008 12:52:52 PM
Man Bob you must be living in one f*cked up part of the country. My sympathies.
Stupid is as Liberals Say
2/17/2008 12:51:18 PM
WTF - You forget about numerous things guns are used for:
1) Hunting, 2) Sports - Trap, Sporting Clays, 5-stand, Skeet, Olympic events, 3) Recreational target shooting. Yes, guns have the ability to kill, so do numerous other things. Go stick your head back in the sand.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:49:24 PM
Grow up imposter. Only a real coward would attack a reverend and an old one at that.
CON
2/17/2008 12:48:55 PM
"wow, how shortsighted and idiotic these people are. again, if you arm everybody - everybodys in danger. human beings are emotional creatures, many are volatile, i don't want the next guy whose wife left him, or got sacked, or even got cut up on the motorway to have a gun on him - thats absolutely insane. even if 90% of people wouldn't use their gun stupidly or in anger, that other ten percent leaves 2.5 million of you in the USA, armed, who would. logic." - well said.
Bob
2/17/2008 12:48:29 PM
Absolutly right, SOLE purpose of a gun is to kill human beings. Someone breaks into my house, i'll kill them...someone trys to mug me, i'll kill them. One less criminal for you and your family to worry about...you're welcome. At the same time, Im not a maniac who will going on a shooting spree just because im having a bad day. It doesnt matter if a guns sole purpose is to kill someone. If someone is destin to die, it will happen one way or another
Eric Thomspon
2/17/2008 12:43:50 PM
Where'd dat der reverend go? I got a feeling I gonna need him to talk to Jesus for me about me sellin dem guns what killed all dem childrens
WTF
2/17/2008 12:42:44 PM
It's funny how you pro-gun advocates keep comparing Guns to everything else like household knives, cars, drugs. The DIFFERENCE between GUNS and everything else is GUNS are meant for the sole purpose of KILLING HUMAN BEINGS. It's really difficult to put up a good argument with you all.
Question for all you geniuses:
2/17/2008 12:41:54 PM
Does anyone know if the NIU shooter was a Liberal or a Conservative? What about the Virginia Tech Shooter?
I bet they were both Liberals, because Liberals should NOT have guns. Too bad the background check doesn't require verification of party affiliation...
Bob
2/17/2008 12:38:51 PM
The guns were baught in champaign,IL ... a state that requires FOID cards. The shooter had one. To get a card, you are asked a series of questions, including, are you mentally retarded, do you have mental illnesses. He obviously lied. Once again, our government dropped the ball on that one. I had to answer the same questions truthfully to get mine, thinking well, this is good in a way to help regulate just who gets a gun. apparently the form is a joke.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:38:12 PM
Thank you for standing up for me, Davey. I dooly appreciate it. I'm guessing I'ld better go so this doesn't happen again. You are a good person. Stay that way. Never change. But always remember to stand up for what you believe in.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:37:42 PM
Rev Goff - Did you ever see Brokeback Mountain? Was what them boys did in that movie a sin? Just askin. You know.. for a friend.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:35:26 PM
I POSTED THIS EARLIER REV:
Message From: Davy Crockett on 2/17/2008 12:20:42 PM
"Religous Right", how can you stand up and say you are an American after speaking that way to another man speaking his religous views? He has that RIGHT. You do NOT determine what he can say. It is interesting how sometime people like you stand for 1st amendment rights, but only when they are YOUR 1st amendment rights. That is not American.
Anonymous
2/17/2008 12:34:32 PM
The right to tell you you CAN'T have guns???? Our lack of guns does not hurt you... your right to own as many guns as you want, no matter what kind, puts far too many guns on the street and affect me. When your "right" leads to so many deaths of innocent people, the rest of the country has a right to do something about it.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:34:06 PM
I'm apologize. I didn't know. Maybe it's time I left this site. Their is no room for me at the INN.....Again, I apologize
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:33:48 PM
REV, it wasn't me that posted that negative comment. It's the same guy who's been spreading negativity all over this post this morning. Notice all my other comments have been only in discussion and not to attack. Once again, it wasn't me sir. I stood up for you when they bashed you because you are religous.
Bob
2/17/2008 12:32:38 PM
If someone has intent on killing another person they will do it nomatter what. Wether it be with a knive, a bomb or even an airplane. you will never stop the twisted minds of criminals. and if you think you can, then please make it fair across the board, outlaw knives, outlaw all household chemicals that can be made into bombs and outlaw airplanes. untill then, leave us gun owners alone.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:31:02 PM
Davy Crockett, if that's your real name, lol! go to local church and talk to them. I'm sure they would be able to help you. It's not wise to hand out phone numbers online. But thank you for asking. Bless you.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:30:23 PM
WHOEVER JUST POSTED UNDER MY NAME: Grow up, anyone can tell it is not me who would write negativity like the comment directed at the preist. Interesting that when you confront someone about their bigotry in how they step on other's right they resort to childish action like writing under other's screen names.
LiberalFags
2/17/2008 12:29:52 PM
Would you liberal cooks just go hug a tree or something and leave the inteligint debate up to us right minded christian folks? Haven't you had enough? You brought us aids and now this country is full of niggers and spics because of you. Just go away.
CON
2/17/2008 12:29:01 PM
Bob you still didn't answer my question. And two wrongs don't make a right.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:28:10 PM
These people get guns just like they can get drugs or prostitutes or anything else they please. They have this thing called money. Their action have nothing to do with me. The idiot who shot up NIU DID have all the checks passed that Illinois has set-up. Perhaps you should ask that question to The State of Illinois and all the other northern states where most shootings happen. we don't have the problem here in the south. I own over 2 dozen weapons. None of them have ever got up and gone to a campus on their own.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:26:43 PM
OhPlease, this is who I am. I'm a free American with a voice like everyone on this website. I respect your opinion. Maybe I should bow out. What I am reading is very sad, considering everyone on here is just about all American. Thanx
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:26:25 PM
Rev. Golf-
Hey, before you go, can you post your phone number? I really need to talk to somebody about these, um, impure thoughts I have been having about other men.
Bob
2/17/2008 12:24:50 PM
CON...drugs are illigal too. How do children keep getting their hands on them? Drugs kill more a year than guns do. Not only that, drugs are illigal in EVERY state, not just select few. Just like drugs, guns will never stop nomatter what laws you want to pass. I own plently, and that will never change, believe me.
Anonymous
2/17/2008 12:24:40 PM
Davy Crockett - I agree. I am not religious in any way. I couldn't care less about NASCAR, and I think the Blue Collar Comedy Hour is stupid. But what do I believe in? I believe in the right I have to protect myself (and my country if need be). I also believe that liberals can continue to NOT own guns. You don't see Conservatives out there trying to pass laws REQUIRING citizens to buy guns. What makes them think they can pass laws telling me I CAN'T have them. They are crazy!
ohplease
2/17/2008 12:22:43 PM
With all due respect REV. GOFF, this website is about selling arms and ammunition's that KILL. Putting up an 'innocent' notice saying 'I am sorry' doesn't correct anything. This website trades on death and destruction.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:22:18 PM
I assure you ReligiousRights, I'm a 60 yr. old man of the cloth who has his own church. I'm a peacemaker. That's my oath I took with God. God or whom ever you chose to be your God, wants to let you know, hey bears no ill will towards you, because you my son, are a child of God. Bless you and have a wonderful day.
EricThompson
2/17/2008 12:20:45 PM
I likes da NASCAR, Jesus, and shottin' dem little critters wit dem really big guns. I sell dem guns up here in Green Bay case dem Canadians dun decide to invade. God bless America!
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:20:42 PM
"Religous Right", how can you stand up and say you are an American after speaking that way to another man speaking his religous views? He has that RIGHT. You do NOT determine what he can say. It is interesting how sometime people like you stand for 1st amendment rights, but only when they are YOUR 1st amendment rights. That is not American.
WTF are you talking about?
2/17/2008 12:20:15 PM
ReligiousRight - when was anyone talking about a pending invasion?
CON
2/17/2008 12:18:01 PM
Nobody answered my question. How do these seriously mentally ill people keep getting Guns so easily from your freedom spreading conservative states?
WTF are you talking about?
2/17/2008 12:17:52 PM
ReligiousRight - when was anyone talking about an invasion?
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:17:29 PM
I do believe we as a adults, need to set an example for our children, and others, this website is for expressing our thoughts of this tragedy with clear minds and hearts. Throwing accusations, foul language, etc. doesn't and will not help anything or anybody.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 12:15:06 PM
Not all conservatives are religous fanatics nor race car enthusiasts nor supporteres of abortion. You stereotype only the extreme right as all conservatives. This is simply false. Only a small percent are actuall red necks. Their are many who are just as educated and just as successful "Red Necks Suck". You can't stereotype. We just live in two different worlds and that's okay. I won't step on your rights, but don't step on ours. You can't have a double standard. Remember, your rights end where mine begin.
"Intelligent Liberal"
2/17/2008 12:14:24 PM
Now that was funny! Thats the best oxymoron I've heard in a LONG LONG time!
Bob
2/17/2008 12:14:15 PM
Its not only a matter of protecting others, Its also protecting ourselves from the scum that has been and always will be here. So that we can lay our heads down at night not having to worry about some pshyco coming in at night while our familes are sleeping and having no way of defense. Or to be sitting in a classroom as a target. Why do we never here of mass shootings in the southern states? because these "rednecks" who own guns are actually a lot smarter and have more respect than you think. Its because they dont have much and need to protect what little they do have and work damn hard for it.
ReligiousRight
2/17/2008 12:13:56 PM
Rev. Goff- oh shove it, God boy.
shawn.l
2/17/2008 12:12:28 PM
all this fighting is childish in the face of this great tragedy, and rational decisions should only be made once the emotions cool down and rational thought is capable.
My condolances go to those lost, and their familys.
I will tell you one simple fact, try that near me, and my family, and we are shooting back!
moreCON
2/17/2008 12:11:07 PM
The CONservative's have blood of innocent children on their hands but they are TOO AFRAID to admit it.
ReligiousRight
2/17/2008 12:09:59 PM
Regarding Red Dawn- It is the rednecks who keep claiming on this site that they need their guns to prevent the next invasion. You rednecks are the terrorists. You have hijacked progress in this country. Just take your Nascar and your Blue Collar Comedy Hour and leave us progressive, intelligent liberals alone.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:05:12 PM
When they're hurting, help them find their joy in You, for it's Your joy that will be their strength. Help them to trust You as their God of hope. Fill them with Your joy, peace, and hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Help them experience the love, joy, and peace that are the results of His life in them, no matter what they're going through. (Nehemiah 8:10b; Romans 15:13; Galatians 5:22)
May they sense Your presence in this hour of need. In Jesus' name, Amen.
RedNecksSuck
2/17/2008 12:05:03 PM
Rednecks ALL live in the past and refuse to join the modern world. That's why they still think they must all carry handguns to protect the country from a Mexican invasion (or perhaps Cuba) and that's why they all still fight teaching evolution and science in schools. It's because of the conservative BS in this country that we are already far behind the rest of the world in stem cell research. They bitch and complain that gun control imposes the beliefs of others on them, yet they are the first to demand that abortion be made illegal (and will bomb clinics to make their point). Just please, all of you conservatives, don't hold the rest of this country back from all progress. Take your guns and your f*cked up take on Christian faith and start your own little sh*t country. The South will rise again... my ass.
REV. GOFF
2/17/2008 12:04:09 PM
Comfort the Grieving
Father, I pray for (name one or more) and others in my circle of family and friends who are grieving...
They're hurting for many reasons, and I ask You to help them through this season of loss. I reach out to You, the Father of compassion and the Source of every comfort, asking You to touch them with Your unfailing love and kindness. Be their God who comforts them as they're going through their struggles, and bring them through the tough things ahead. Come alongside them in their pain, and strengthen them so they'll one day be able to help others who face the same struggles. (2 Corinthians 1:3–4; Psalm 33:22; 1 Samuel 20:14a)
You're close to people whose hearts are breaking, those who are discouraged and have given up hope. May You who see their troubles and grief respond when they cry out. (Psalm 34:18; 10:14a, 17)
uhh
2/17/2008 12:01:27 PM
Man these CONservatives are so FULL of themselves. I had no idea!
Regarding Red Dawn
2/17/2008 11:58:32 AM
Wake uUp: The problem with your mention of Red Dawn (a great movie btw), is that Red Dawn was an INVASION of our soil, much like is happening today on our Southern border. The discussion here has to do with Gun Laws, not invaders. It has to do with Liberals - those I refer to as "Domestic Terrorists"
Davy Crock of Sh*t
2/17/2008 11:57:46 AM
That conflict was in the late 1840's. I am so sick and tired of rednecks claiming they must have guns (and all kinds, no matter how silly it is to claim they are used for hunting, etc.) to protect all of us liberals from the next invasion. Seriously, take the advice of an earlier poster and stop believing "Red Dawn" is a documentary. You are not heroes. You speak as if YOU were part of that 160 year old conflict.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:54:19 AM
Not all conservatives are that way "Conservatve are full of sh*t". I am not religious, but I would be offended if I saw another's religous right being stepped on. So should you feel if I was having my 2nd amendment rights stepped on; even if you don't care about the 2nd amendment. We can't be selective.
CON
2/17/2008 11:53:12 AM
Hey 'Davy Crockett' so how do these mentally ill people keep getting Guns so easily from your freedom spreading states?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:50:55 AM
Hey "More WMD Please", what state are you from if I may ask?
ConservativesAreFullOfSh*t
2/17/2008 11:50:19 AM
Davy Crockett - you mean good conservative Christian folks like Larry Craig, Ted Haggard and good ole boy Rush? Oh, wait, ooooops - forgot about the gay sex and drug abuse.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:47:21 AM
Hey "Eric Thompson" you are incorrect in thinking that one can buy a gun over the internet from Top Glock and have it delivered to their house. It has never worked that way in decades. It must go through a local dealer/gun store like any other gun. Don't be another liberal who's only firearm education comes from the media.
I agree, but Liberals will not listen.
2/17/2008 11:46:49 AM
Reality Bite's, I agree with you 100%! If people in that room had the means to defend themselves, they most certainly would have. But you also have to consider that he probably would NOT have even tried it in the first place, knowing that people in the audience may have been armed. The Liberals choose to keep their eyes and ears closed. Their logic is illogical, and their honesty doesn't exist. They live in a fantasy land and have no true grasp of the implications of an unarmed citizenship. No point arguing with them any more. An Nation of sheeple is a totalitarianism.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:44:36 AM
Any of you who are from New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, California, Utah, Nevada and Wyoming have your states today because of "redneck idiots" that stood up to Santa Anna's tyranny. It was called the Mexican Cession after the Mexican-American Revolution (where the Mexicans were whooped all the way down to Mexico City).
Bob
2/17/2008 11:44:10 AM
You're not american. americans have rights..such as the right to bear arms, and the right for freedom of speech. How would you like it if you were not allowed to post on this board, yet some hacker was able to post comments talking trash about you leaving you defensless because you're a law biting citizin. No different than some criminal pointing a gun at you.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 11:41:35 AM
I sell guns and gun supplies over the internets. When dem duns is used in mass killings, I post an insincere note to the da families of da dead childrens. That bring more people to my internets page to by more stuff and I make more money. I is American!
Did I also mention da Packers suck?
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:38:30 AM
If you read your history, it is men like those Texans you make fun of that gave us over 33% our country we have today. The Spaniards took the land from the natives, then Mexico fought back and wanted independence from Spain and then they took the land. Then they tried to impose their will on the Texas settlers and got their ass handed to them. My hat goes off to the men who gave their life at the Alamo, those who rode into battle at San Jancinto. Because of them we had the momentum to win the Mexican AMerican Revolution of the 1840s and we won over 1/3 of the United States as we know it today.
MoreWMDsPlease
2/17/2008 11:38:27 AM
All you pro-Gun advocates, where do you think these guns come from that commit these crimes in states that have the decency to have Gun Controls. From YOUR f*cked up cowardly states, thats where. Geniuses. I'm still proud to be an American!
Bob
2/17/2008 11:38:11 AM
Notice the politics never mention gun crime rates from states who allow people to carry....all you here is how high the gun crime rate is from all of the other states...Interesting
MORE GUNS
2/17/2008 11:32:49 AM
The only solution for Gun crimes is MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS!
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:31:20 AM
I believe states like Montana and Wyoming allow NON-concealed carry where you can walk around openly with a loaded weapon on your hip. Their crime rates are the lowest by far!
WMD's?
2/17/2008 11:30:26 AM
The NIU gunman had a mental disorder for cryin out loud, and he was still supplied as many Guns as he wanted. The VTech gunman also was seriously mentally ill, but nothing stopped him from getting GUN'S. And our country is still looking for WMD's in Iraq. Look in your own backyard Bush.
Reality Bite's
2/17/2008 11:29:38 AM
The real reality of it all is simple, most of you anti-gunners won't want to read this.
Through all of your anti-gun campaining, your lie's and false statistics to create anti-gun laws YOU left those college students and faculty defenseless. You have no one to blame but yourselves for what happened at NIU, Virgina Tech or any other school shooting in a so called "Safe Zone". Get this through your thick skulls criminals and the mentally deranged don't give a damn about your LAWS. Create all you would like they'll still have guns and still kill with them.
The shame of all shootings like this is no one except the shooter had a gun. Out of the 150 to 200 people in that room only one person had a gun, thats the real crime. No one in that room had the means to defend themselves thansk to your laws. Chew on that for awhile, think about it openmindedly with out distortment to comform to your beliefs
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:29:22 AM
That's a false statement CON. Conservative values are what made this nation great. This country has been in moral decline since the 60's liberal movement.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:24:42 AM
All joking aside. Liberals and their buddies in Europe aren't gonna change. Conservatives like myself will not either. We like our guns. We are honest people. We are not giving them up and never will. It is simply a difference in view point. For example, I think homosexuality is unattractive, but I have absolutely no right to tell them what they can do or what rights they can have. For me personally, abortion is not a choice I would choose, but I have no right to tell anyone else what they can choose. Americans need to understand that this is the land of FREE. You can not go around telling others what they can do and be selective about which right you support according to your own beliefs. Talk about selective and biased.
bob
2/17/2008 11:23:53 AM
If we absolutly have to have gun laws, how about enforcing them a little better? To my understanding the shooter at NIU had a valid FOID card, yet also had a mental disorder. When filling out the FOID form it asks you, are you mentally retarded, or have and mental disorders. He obviously lied. Why wasnt the form gone through when it was submitted? Does this mean anyone can just lie? A criminal is a criminal, and will always be that way. Dont punish the people who arent
CON
2/17/2008 11:23:45 AM
Conservative's are COWARDS!
Bob
2/17/2008 11:23:25 AM
Go ahead, take away all of the guns from the people who legally own them. Just remember just like drugs, the criminals will still get their hands on them no matter what. Taking away guns from law-biting citizins does nothing but leave them defenseless. (unless you think you can out run bullets). What would the outcome have been if the professor was carrying a firearm? or a security gaurd in the classroom with a gun? Or a stundent? One criminal dead, not multiple innocent students. Also, look at some stats. before opening your mouth about gun control. Take states like utah and texas who have a right to carry. Their gun crime is far less than states who do not allow people to carry.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 11:17:47 AM
JUST IN! THE EXPERTS AGREE!! Hussein, Hitler, Gaddafi, Castro THEY ALL AGREE, GUN CONTROL WORKS!
Gayhook
2/17/2008 11:11:58 AM
Man you guys are right, I am a liberal douche! Help me!
Cars Don't Kill...
2/17/2008 11:01:14 AM
Guns don't kill...bullets do! Oh really, then Cars don't kill, engines do. THanks for the words of wisdom Merican livin the lie.
Does Eric Pack? Or, Have a Bodyfguard?
2/17/2008 10:58:52 AM
In light of the recent events I couldn't help wondering if the purvayor of death and destruction is himself armed? And or has at least one body guard OR looks under his bed at night? Do you think as time goes on he himself will become more paranoid as more and more murderers order online at his business? Man, who could live with themselves with all the guilt and greed going on. BUt, the comfort food online statement gives him closure to the whole sordid affair. God Bless Merica and its right to bear arms. Why would you want to show your arms anyway..bare arms. Hahahahaha
WTF
2/17/2008 10:57:24 AM
Eric Thompson's kids, one 5 and the other one 3 own their own Guns. They bought it from this website legally and no one can do nothing to them. Thats right, coz they own Guns b*tches.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 10:51:14 AM
Eric Thompson...imagine if...your...was....
Merica
2/17/2008 10:47:53 AM
Doh! Chlorocardium are you really that simple minded? A quick "sound byte" and it makes the whole violent affair ok with you and other gunners. SO, if cars don't kill people but engines do..that is comforting for the deceased family to reconcile the matter. As you MERICANS love to say...They now have CLOSURE! So warm and comforting that fucking stupid mindless comment. Their life is a fucking hell from now to eternity! Fucking mindless morons like you and your ilk love these "Comfort Food" statements. Mericans love to pick up the sayings of their "False Gods and Idols" like Paris, Britney, Ooprah, Dr. Phil (not a doctor in the traditional sense), Maury, Wolfe, AC360, Jerry Jerry..look at the crap you love to waste your time with...Oh, your entertainment you let your children watch ie. video and cRAP, etc.Parents you should be ashamed of yourselves. Its easier to give in to this war as well. Cut and Run AGAIN!
Wake Up
2/17/2008 10:37:17 AM
Eric Thompson feels really bad about what happened at Virginia Tech and NIU. Read the statement at the top of the page. But I guess that sympathy stop at his wallet. Click on the Must See Video on the upper left potion of this webpage and play the video on top. I think you could agree that it is pretty bad taste to have this video up on your site while at the same time saying that you feel bad for what happened at NIU. Eric Thompson- GROW A BRAIN
Chlorocardium
2/17/2008 10:22:10 AM
Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Its a good thing that psychos can't get them easily too.
Wake Up
2/17/2008 10:21:54 AM
kmhbrf -There sure have been alot of "accidents" with guns in this past year. The problem with your example is that the people who died fishing, snowmobile riding, or in a car is that someone wasn't trying to kill them. What some people are doing with guns is no accident. A gun accident is some guy messing around who shoots himself in the foot, not someone going into a classroom and murdering a bunch of innocent students and their teachers.
ashamed
2/17/2008 10:11:53 AM
An eye for an eye makes the world blind. It's too much for us American's to grasp I guess.
The Sky IS BLUE
2/17/2008 10:07:24 AM
The Sky IS BLUE...no it's not! Yes it is. No it's not.Yes it is. No it's not.Yes it is. NYes it is. No it's not.o it's not.Yes it is. No it's not.Yes it is. No it's not.... kmhbrf (don't "accidentaly shoot anyone or be shot yourself while enjoying killin things". Signed PEDRO SMITH 1st generation AMEXICAN (new nomenclature for a brave new world). The UNITED STATES of AMEXICAN.
Anonymous
2/17/2008 9:59:03 AM
who, a bunch of racists idiots on this site- wow- love your guns- wow! what a bunch of freaks- don't you know violence creates violence- you defending someone is still just violent, wow ! unbelieveable, Wow I wish the guy who had gotten mugged had also gotten killed!
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 9:57:23 AM
ok what if my daughter was killed hunting? yes I would distoryed over it. However what about the guy in lacrosse that lost all three of his kids while taking them fishing last fall, or the father whose son was killed after falling off his snowmobile in decemeber. Or the father that died in leon wisconsin in front of his kids after swerving to miss a deer on a snowmobile. or the father whose family died after he hit a piece of debris in the road lost be a illegal truck driver from illinois who couldn't speak or read english yet was able to get a illinois CDL lincense. Should we ban illinois drivers in wisconsin?
my point is people die in accidents all the time, most of the time it isnt any fault of their own.
Praise George Bush and COnservatives
2/17/2008 9:56:01 AM
Ohhh, got your goat eh mr conservative, OK, its allright for you republicans to talk to me. So, what shall we talk about. OH, how about livin in Merica where the center of the universe is..kind of like the asshole of the earth but with pyles ruinin the view of a perfect myopia the founding fathers had. I am in your country "EVERYWHERE" and you know what...your out of a job, house repossed, no health care, not enough cash to buy some bullets for your beloved gun and soon to have a third world economy. Hell even the Canadian dollar was worth more than Merican. Yup no car indudtry, before you know it you'll be workin for some AMexican named Pedro Smith (first generation Merican). I would like to speak to Republicans cause at least they know their assholes and don't have to be reminded..ASSHOLE
Wake uUp
2/17/2008 9:54:28 AM
Do you guys have the movie Red Dawn on constant loop. The King of England, Russians, or whoever isn't coming to take over the nation. Last time I checked the armed forces were doing a pretty good job or ensuring that the nation was safe from invasion. From the posts I've read many of you sound like you're in a Militia hell bent of setting up your own state or either counting down the days to armageddon. The problem with this issue is that there is a lot of gray area. At what point should a gun or gun accessory be illegal?
GunssssS
2/17/2008 9:49:51 AM
GUNS ARE FOR COWARDS!
I Feel Good
2/17/2008 9:48:42 AM
Yeahhehreh..livin Merica...livin Merica...all thats good in the world. Morbidly obese gun toting ethnic hod rod lovin commies hunters who love their guns. Oh yes baby, we luvs our guns. It feels GOOD..I SAY IT FEELS GOOD. Hmhm. Jesus Christ packed and didn't have to go through metal detectors at the GOD AIRPORT, But, Mericans are debating the merits of NOT Allowing terrorists to register for weapons. THe same Merica that allows illegals in, amnesty, drug, loans, drivers with no licence, and on and on. BUt you morons are so worried about the Canada border. What a couple (ok with WMDs) but so what. Its the Taco Free Zone you should really be worried about. THEM AMexicans will marry your daughters and voila you have a soninalw named Pedro and smilin little refried grandchiden. Would you rather have a Canadian in your family (ok with a WMD in your livin room but a better trade off to refried bean breath)!
To Mr "Merica"
2/17/2008 9:39:38 AM
You are obviously not an American, so get the F*** out
of OUR COUNTRY, and stop living off us like the leech you are!
Conservatives, do not respond to him any more. Ignore every comment from this ignorant asshole. He's been bashing America since yesterday evening. Hopefully he will crawl back into the tunnel he came from and cross the border in a southward direction.
To Mr "Merica"
2/17/2008 9:39:17 AM
You are obviously not an American, so get the F*** our of OUR COUNTRY, and stop living off us like the leech you are!
Conservatives, do not respond to him any more. Ignore every comment from this ignorant asshole. He's been bashing America since yesterday evening. Hopefully he will crawl back into the tunnel he came from and cross the border in a southward direction.
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 9:38:58 AM
To the individual that claims topglock sold guns to the Latest shooter would you please read the article about the shooting. he sold a holster (a piece of leather) and a mag to the shooter. same stuff sold at more sports stores than anywhere else.
Heck our local country store, sells the same stuff.
Daniel Boone
2/17/2008 9:38:28 AM
Shit you bunch of panty waists who need your guns. Be a man like me and stab the bastard down to the bone..hehe..bad to the bone. Davy Crockett you should be ashamed of yourself associating with low life on this site. Get big mother knife and then lets see who is tough. Ohhh, Im going with my daughter deer huntin with a gun..bullshit..give her a bread knife and show her how to really kill, kill, kill, kill, kill,,,kill. I mean its all about killing isn't it? A good kill is all that matters in discussion around the water cooler. Hey Joe, I got me one them there MERICANS on the weekend..hell thats nothin I got me a whole shit load of students buying prozac. Top that Mr Merican
Shot My Eye Out
2/17/2008 9:30:33 AM
kmhbrf ..so lets just say you or another hunter shoots your daughter accidentally...will you still be out there huntin and fishin and thinking about Andy of Mayberry? Guns dont kill...stupids kill...that own the dam things in the first place. I guess its ok if a deer sneaks up on you kills a member of your family. Oh, and by the way for the record you don't live in WISE-CON-SIN. YOu live in a State of Denial which is part of Egypt last time I spoke to TUT. Good huntin...bamamamamamama..click reload...bamamamm...shit!
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 9:20:10 AM
gahook, thank you for the response. it seems that some intelligent conversation is possible on this board. I am courious what part of the country are you from? really?, so just because individuals from NYC come to virginia and purchase firearms and filter them into NYC. that the rest of the individuals in virginia should be punished?
Gun owners - there is hope.
2/17/2008 9:15:56 AM
No matter what, if somehow the liberals win, and they turn all lawful gun owners into criminals, we still have hope. That hope is in the fact that we will automatically be grandfathered in. We already own the guns! Those democrats will gladly give up their weapons (if they have any), so there is no way they can take them away from us! The hinge will be upon the Law Enforcement personnel. They will still have weapons, and IF they enforce the anti-gun laws, then we have problems. I have a feeling LEOs would be quitting the force in record numbers. The military and National Guard? Do you seriously think with their personal beliefs that they would take our weapons away? It would be anarchy, ain't gonna happen. You can argue liberals till you're blue in the face, it will never click with them. You'd have better luck talking to your toilet bowl.
I am Ashamed To Be a Merican
2/17/2008 9:10:34 AM
Reading all the many many posts here by gun owners and gun/hunter advocates makes me sick and wishing to throw up on all the uneducated assholes who continue to support their "deer-protection" beliefs. How many Columbines is it going to take and how many of YOUR kids getting killed by domestic shooters is it going to take to WAKE UP AMERICA? THE SAME INTERNET SITE SUPPLIED GUNS FOR THE Va Tech Shooter and the NIU shooter. Come on now...it is just getting too damend easy for a crazy to actualize his craziness. Most of you idiots posting are too busy smoking blunts and guzzling rot gut booze to even see the rationale of the situation.
gahook
2/17/2008 9:07:20 AM
"For those who don't know...", your statement sounds a lot like the current conservative regime in Washington, doesn't it?
Guns don't kill people by themselves
2/17/2008 9:03:16 AM
One more comment . . . the Hitler analogy is false. Hilter's Germany existed in a time before atomic weapons, smart bombs, electronic monitoring, etc. Armed resistance against the US government today by citizens with hand weapons would be futile. The system needs to be changed from the inside, if it can be changed at all.
For those who don't know...
2/17/2008 9:02:45 AM
Totalitarianism:
Totalitarianism is state regulation of nearly every aspect of public and private behavior. Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of secret police, propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, personality cults, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, single-party states, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of terror tactics.
gahook
2/17/2008 8:54:20 AM
About the pathetic argument that states with tough gun laws have the highest murder rates. Care to cite the source? Massachusetts has tough gun laws and a lower murder rate, than say, Texas with lax gun laws. Also, the major flaw in your argument, besides that of being wrong, is states like Virginia that have the most lax gun laws and most illegal guns in NYC came from Virginia. Therefore, for tough laws to work, they have to be universal. If it isn't universal, states like VA can still illegally export their WMD's to other locations.
Hitler confuses Liberals
2/17/2008 8:52:11 AM
The reason is, that even to this day, the brainwashed Liberals believe -----"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more effective and the world will follow our lead into the future!" ADOLF HITLER 1935----- Look what happened - the police were more effective all right, the stormtroopers that is.. and they were able to round up all the people the wanted to to experiment, etc. on them. Is this what you really want, liberals? Because this will no longer be a democracy, it will become totalitarian... But that is what they want. Our screwed up welfare system is all thanks to the Democrats.
gahook
2/17/2008 8:51:15 AM
Now, can anyone name a nation with tough gun laws that has mass shooting all of the time? This will disprove the "only criminals will have guns" argument against tough gun laws. A gun has one purpose, to kill. Another pathetic argument is that cars can be used, knives and so forth to kill multiple people. Cars transport people, so they have a purpose, I cook and use knives all of the time but haven't found a purpose for a gun besides to kill.
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 8:49:26 AM
First I am in wisconsin not mississippi. complete reading of my post might be helpful. yes we do close schools/ classes for deer season. My daughter is taking her hunter safty course this year and will be hunting with me and her brother this year.
Which by the way, we have had more people killed by deer this year than by guns. In fact I can think of 3 people this year killed by vechicle/ deer accidents. In fact we had more people injured by bears over the past year than guns in our area.
Incidently, the states that have the strictest gun laws are the states that have the largest gun deaths.
If someone can have a intelligent conversation on this subject please feel free to enlighten me.
Guns don't kill people by themselves
2/17/2008 8:45:01 AM
While I dislike the idea of allowing a device designed specifically kill or wound to be a part of the society in which I live, the fact is that the guns did not walk into NIU and start shooting people. It was a person using guns. Perhaps removing guns from the equation may have prevented him from killing as many people, but I think that if someone wakes up and decides to kill a bunch of people, they will figure out a way. BTW, in response to a couple of the prior comments, the News Hour on PBS still shows pictures of those who died in Iraq every night in silence; also, liberals are not victims, we just have a tendency to support systems that are enabling of that state of mind. The current self-described conservative in the White House has been far from responsible.
gahook
2/17/2008 8:39:28 AM
Can anyone name another country with lax gun laws that has mass killings happening all of the time.
NIU, VaTech, Columbine, Omaha in December, City Hall in Krikwood Missouri, October 11th in Cleveland, student shoots 4 then kills himself, October 7th Crandon Wisconsin, 6 dead then shooter kills himself, September, 2 dead in Delaware college shooting.
gahook
2/17/2008 8:34:11 AM
I find it interesting that pro-terrorist gun lobby supporters would stoop to a Hitler comment to try and make their pathetic case.
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 8:30:09 AM
Message From: kmhbrf on 2/17/2008 8:16:46 AM
actually machine guns are legal here. So is shitting through a straw..but do you do it? Efveryone should have a MACHINE GUN to go to CHuckie Cheese with their kids....really cause Merica is fucking nuts. Why don't they need guns and machine guns and tanks in other countries? Why is the use of guns so low and deaths even lower per capita...doh...no hand guns. Guns are part of your culture...think about where Merica has gone from the start. From one gun to billions...from one slave to the President of the Mericas. Hahahah. That is great. The slave owners are rolling over in their rotten coffins...is there going to be another Underground Railroad for WHites? If so, head south to Mericas new captial...Mexico City.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 8:26:02 AM
It's interesting that the liberal crowd doesn't say much when you post something of fact like how Hitler supported gun control.
Close Schools To SHoot
2/17/2008 8:23:25 AM
Close Schools To SHoot: Jesus fucking christ unbelieveable. Is food that hard to find in Misiisisspssioppii? Is that part of Merica? THink about it? CLose school and shoot animials to death (you define animal). The drinking and driving argument is at another site. But, you like to street race ending up with 8 dead. Pretty cool...and only one car (er weapon). Up got to love Merica land of the dumb and really stupid. THey stood in the middle of a highway at night and smoke and it didn't occur a vehicle might be coming! Yup, Street Racing for Dummies.
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 8:23:21 AM
I LIKE WHAT THIS GUY POSTED EARLIER!-----> "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more effective and the world will follow our lead into the future!" ADOLF HITLER 1935
Glock: Sounds like..
2/17/2008 8:17:54 AM
Glock.l..sounds like a cat with a hairball the size of George Bushes mandate. G-L-O-C-K. Yuk, I just glocked up my Merican taco that don't taste as good as back home in AMexican. THe stars and stripes with a jack ass...to honor our Merican Resident....and leader...Wolffe Blizzard. Say, is WOllffff fucking DEAF? Why does he scream all the time? And isnt he afraid that stupid over priced tuppac pay wont fall off his pointed head? Have your people get back to my people. GOd Bless Irag and AMexico.,
Davy Crockett
2/17/2008 8:16:48 AM
Maybe the USA should seperate into two parts: 1.) liberals and victims and 2.)Conservatives and other people who actually take responsiblity for themselves.
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 8:16:46 AM
actually machine guns are legal here. We have alot more kids hurt from drinking and drug use at our local colleges than we do from firearms. southwest of us along the mississippi we have lost more kids over the past 5 years from drinking and wondering to close to the mississippi river than we have in the last 20 years from gun shot wounds. Am I sorry for the families that lost kids in that shooting. yes I am. Willing banning guns do anything to prevent it. No it will not. In america drugs drinking and driving by far claim more kids than any of the guns out there. As far as kids having access to firearms. many of our grade schools and business close for deer hunting seasons here and we have never had a school shooting here and seriously doubt we will....
If A Merican Falls In Iraq?
2/17/2008 8:11:31 AM
If an Merican falls in Iraq is there any sound? Yes or no? I say no...cause CNN and FOx and all the rest of the scumbag media (who make money on your dead) aren't reporting it anymore...it's old and boring news. Ahh, the campaign is the ticket to churning the publics attention. Yeah I know the new leader (oxymoron) will do something about Iraq. No way...too lucrative back home for Cheney the ______ )fill in the blank.
Anonymous
2/17/2008 8:09:22 AM
Cherik Bulkes - I'll agree that in recent certain instances the protocol of background checks failed. However, when you compare the number of recent shootings to the number of legal gun owners the argument is null. Also, if the background check was ineffective or failed then you should be posing your arguments and comments to the official who conducted them not an on-line web site vendor. I assure you Topglock was not required to do a background check to sell a magazine or holster.
Goooood Morinin Merica
2/17/2008 8:07:21 AM
To kmhbrf: we don't give a shit about your serious position.This site is about kids killing gun laws, kids taking the law into their own hands when they should still be holding their pudding in their hands, its about freedom to by Cheeze Wiz at the grocery store. Hmmmm, "Wiz" you might want to read the contents on the lable of that one. It's about Susan at Jackoff Automotive being allowed to terminate your car tires at will with the twist of a lug nut. In short, It's Merica and I'm George W.Bush and I approve the sale of machine guns with 2000 caliber barrels to shoot satellites from the sky. OH, those WMD's er I was wrong about the Words of Mass Deception so sorry about your sons and daughters being blown to bits..really!
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 7:46:06 AM
what scares the hell out of me, is the fact that these 'people" were or are so willing to give up the freedom of owning a firearm. If a individual does not want to own a firearm or be around them, this is their personal choice, however if I want or own a firearm, I do not want someone telling me that I cannot. Freedom of choice is one of our basic rights here in USA. Furthermore our goverment should not have the ability to take this or any other right from us. I live in the Northern part of Wisconsin, we have 6 families within a 10mile radius here. There are literally more guns than people in this area. In fact guns here are probably 5 guns to each person. I can walk out my door and shoot, and guess what noone runs for cover.....
Drew Hill
2/17/2008 7:37:53 AM
This is hilarious! I read back over the fun from last night and "Wipe this clean" is getting razzed by someone posting as me. Funny. And dude, I'm on your side. Hell, I got my first Glock when I was 15 and shot since I could stand.
Drew Hill
2/17/2008 7:09:47 AM
SOMEONE HAS BEEN POSTING AS ME! Will, you little fag, is that you? LOL!! My last posting before this one was 2/16 at 9:56 p.m. Someone else put up the name Drew Hill. I'm going to have some oatmeal and then go to the gym. Take it easy everyone and don't take too much from the coward "Rednecks must go".
Paul
2/17/2008 5:26:54 AM
If a drunk diver kills someone in a car, does the media blame the car dealer and the bar?
Don't talk to the media, they are scumbags and only want to use you to blame the gun and not the killer.
Loudmouth Texan
2/17/2008 2:16:58 AM
To Policeman/new guy kudos for trying. The anti-gun crowd has been conditioned to believe guns are inherently bad and there's not really anything we can do about it. They're all emotion and no brain. These people have never shot a gun and very few of them have even seen one. They've certainly never filled out a 4473 or gone through the process of obtaining a concealed handgun license. In short, they're ignorant and worse, they want to stay that way. There are the sheepdogs and then there are the sheep. Take comfort in knowing you understand the issue and are in the right. Ignorance is bliss - these Euros have more than established that. 'Night.
The new guy
2/17/2008 2:05:55 AM
Hey policeman, I don't know who that other guy claims he 'used to be' but I am actually the original Wipe This Thing Clean poster, but as you can read, somebody continues to screw around on here and claim they are me... What can
I say - what can I do...
Policeman
2/17/2008 2:03:57 AM
To: the new guy.. reading the post I could see that someone was using you're name. I know.. people fear what they don’t understand, and in this job it's just as much as educating as enforcing the laws.
But incase these people are interested on educating themselves here is a link to 430 ILCS 65/ Firearm Owners Identification Act,
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B65%2F&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC+SAFETY&ActName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.
The new guy
2/17/2008 1:56:45 AM
Hey Policeman,
I actually used to be the real WipeThisThingClean. Some moron keeps posting under my name. I can see they did the same with your name already... I'm in agreement with your first post. But I've given up trying to instill any intelligence into these folks. There is no hope. Any intelligent posts are being overridden by Mr. "Merica", who is actually Mexican. So I'm not even gonna bother trying any more.
Wipe This Thing Clean
2/17/2008 1:56:23 AM
That's it - I'm outta' here...
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 1:52:29 AM
HEY STUDENTS: We'll have our travelling roadshow gun shops at Daytona Beach this year with all sorts of great SPRING BREAK SPECIALS!!! This years special deal is on Glock 33 round magazines! Buy several and share the love with all your classmates!!!
Policeman
2/17/2008 1:48:35 AM
To Wipe this thing clean... there are bad apples everywhere and he's one of them.. I can only do my job.. I can't control what othe guys 200 miles away from me do
Wipe This Thing Clean
2/17/2008 1:46:55 AM
Hey asshole QUIT POSTING WITH MY NAME!!!!
President Bush
2/17/2008 1:45:59 AM
This is President Bush and after consulting with my expert advisors, I've come to the conclusion that I was always right and it is infact M-E-R-I-C-A. Wassupppp Merica!
Wipe This Thing Clean
2/17/2008 1:44:55 AM
Hey policeman - I'd rather learn about the laws the cop in Chicago used to 'drown' his second wife and then disappear his third wife: AND GET AWAY WITH IT! Yeah you guys need to lecture us about laws!
Policeman
2/17/2008 1:44:15 AM
Wow the maturity level.. thats ok I wont stoop to you're level.
Policeman
2/17/2008 1:41:59 AM
I like to dress up in leather cop outfits and spank my boyfriend's ass.
Wipe This Thing Clean
2/17/2008 1:40:28 AM
Hey asshole, quit posting with my name!
Policeman
2/17/2008 1:39:21 AM
I can't believe you people are blaming this company. This company has done nothing wrong. It hasn't violated any laws. Yes you can buy a gun off the internet.. BUT IT HAS TO BE SHIPPED TO A LOCAL (LICENSED) DEALER.. PROOF HAS TO BE GIVEN THAT YOU ARE A LOCAL DEALER (BY WAY OF A SIGNED FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE WHICH ARE CHECKED ON AN ATF WEB SITE) the LOCAL DEALER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING A CHECK ON THE PURCHASER.. IF THE PURCHASER DOESN'T PASS THEN HE DOESN'T GET THE GUN. The Illinois State Police did the background check and gave the Ok for the idiot at NIU to buy the gun. YOU BASHERs HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE IDIOTS.. LEARN YOUR LAWS
GunssssS
2/17/2008 1:38:57 AM
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask who you can kill and how. Eric Thompson is available to assist you at all times.
WipeThisThingClean
2/17/2008 1:37:17 AM
This one time.. at gun camp..I shoved a rifle up my ass.
The problem with anti-gun people...
2/17/2008 1:37:05 AM
Spaz, since when do shotguns shoot bullets? Maybe slugs, but bullets? No. Learn something about guns before you open your mouth.
My fellow Mericans
2/17/2008 1:35:07 AM
My fellow Mericans. Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask, what you can do for your country. And you fools bought it! Don't expect your government to do anything for the taxpayers and citizens. It's on your shoulders and if the governnment screws up well.. its your fault cause you thought this patriotic crap was oh so Merican! Idiots!
Citizen X
2/17/2008 1:34:00 AM
So any of you guys in central Texas wanna hook up for some hot man sex tonight? I'll show you how I clean a rifle.
Spaz
2/17/2008 1:33:38 AM
NO, PRAISE ERIC THOMPSON AND HIS STRAIGHT SHOOTING ONLINE SHOPPER/SHOOTERS!!!
The problem with Anti-gun people...
2/17/2008 1:32:08 AM
...is they don't have the first clue about guns.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/17/2008 1:31:43 AM
I would like to know who the asshole is who wrote that I'm not going to post under this name any more. What the fuck other name would I post under???
Bill Clinton Gives Media Tour of White House
2/17/2008 1:30:55 AM
Yes Bill will give a tours of the white house for free. But, there is a 25 dollar fee to see where monica bit the tip of Bill (of his cigar). Stained rug is additional.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 1:30:42 AM
Jesus gave you the right to carry a gun... to protect yourself against them armored deer. Praise Jesus!
Loudmouth Texan
2/17/2008 1:29:44 AM
The gun owners are not the ones slamming the board with crap. It's the middle of the night in the US - it's morning in Europe. Who do you think is posting all of this?
President Bush
2/17/2008 1:29:38 AM
This is President Bush here Merica. I thought it was spelt M-E-R-I-C-A? Are you saying it is not?
This Site Isn't About Guns Anymore
2/17/2008 1:28:29 AM
This site is about womens monthly issues and not about guns anymore. Its about womens rights to bear their breast and getfucked in public. Remember to quote the Beatles, "happiness is a warm gun". OH how profound!
Signed, (excuse the drool) Moses (aka Charleston Heston)
Conservative
2/17/2008 1:25:39 AM
Citizen X: The thing that's really scaring me lately, is our future President may literally NOT have balls! By the way, if that B becomes our next President, does that make Bill Clinton our fist lady?
Spaz
2/17/2008 1:25:21 AM
Eric, could I also get some new armor piercing with that order, my shotgun bullets just don't seem to penetrate the steel insert plates the deer in my area are now wearing?
Thank You Mericans For Having Me
2/17/2008 1:24:54 AM
Thank you Mericans for having me and my entire family. We enjoy our home, amnesty, car with no drivers licence, voting while not being a citizen, free health care while you wait in emerg. waiting room and free bus and plane rides back home to visit and bring back more of your new neigbours. We appreciate your hospitality. We can spell America but since your Mr. Bush calls it Merica we thought we would be good citizens. Like Mr Bush complemented you by saying, "You are his base". I guess he means foolish taxpayers. Thank you again. And get your guns from Susan at Jayco Automotive for best prices.
Wipe my ass!
2/17/2008 1:24:31 AM
'Wipe This Thing Clean' do us Americans a favor and check yourself into a mental institution pronto!
Citizen X
2/17/2008 1:23:08 AM
To Citizen XXX: I bet you're a short pathetic little motherfucker who dreams of being a real man some day. You need to grow up and quit pretending to be someone you aren't; a real person.
sad for you
2/17/2008 1:22:10 AM
I am not a fan of guns, but more so I am not a fan of the people who own the guns. your postings are proof that gun control is necessary to keep them out of the hands of ignorant, narrow minded, homophobic, racist simpletons like yourselves. there are families grieving and you are making jokes. And for those of you not from California. There is a middle school boy shot dead in his classroom. It has been reported as a hate crime, dead before he had a chance to live, all because he was gay.
My children will be taught to be accepting of all people regardless of what they look like or who they love. I pity those of you on here that have those feelings in your heart that would make you post the kind of things I am reading. A heart with hate leads a sad life.
Citizen XXX
2/17/2008 1:17:57 AM
'Citizen XXX' nobody cares what you think, except maybe your psychiatrist or Eric Thompson.
Wipe This Thing Clean
2/17/2008 1:16:47 AM
I will not post under this name any more. Any posts from "Wipe This Thing Clean" are not mine!
To the idiot who is intentionally spelling America wrong: I assume you are an illegal alien who is struggling with the English language. It is not our grammar that is poor, it is yours. And being an illegal alien, your opinion means absolutely nothing to any real American. I pay taxes. I pay YOUR welfare. Get the F*** out of MY COUNTRY!
Jayco Automotive Has It All
2/17/2008 1:16:37 AM
Call or better yet see Susan at Jayco Automotive for all childs armory needs and just in children size flax jackets. We have a special if your kid is Mexican too..to protect them from Mericans. Rememeber come on down and ask for Susan at Jayco Automotive. Getyour humvee order in now for xmas and well throw in a "GLOCKenspiel". Susan the slut for all your intimate nees like sanitary panties with holster and deoderant.
Citizen X
2/17/2008 1:15:13 AM
Hey Eric. Why are you using this name? Are you that big of a fuckin loser that you pretend to be someone else? And to Q: I agree that Iran should have Nukes. I also agree that if they use one on us or for terrorists activities, we wipe that whole fuckin area off the map with our own nukes. Trouble is, does our President or future President have the balls to do it??? I don't think so.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 1:13:00 AM
Spaz- I will even throw in a free box of cop killer ammo.. for deer hunting.
Jayco Automotive
2/17/2008 1:12:42 AM
Hi Susan, we'll be talking real soon about "Livin In America". Susan..Jayco Automotive...Susan...Jayco Automotive...Susan...Jayco Automotive......***
Bored
2/17/2008 1:10:24 AM
I'm Bored. I wish I was Merican so I could order Guns online for some fun.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 1:08:36 AM
Be sure to check my Web site this August for my back to school special!
Merica
2/17/2008 1:08:00 AM
Merica - The Land of the Racist and the Hypocritical.
Spaz
2/17/2008 1:02:39 AM
Eric, if I mention two killing sprees and the correct dates, do I get 20% off?
Q
2/17/2008 1:01:35 AM
If every Merican wants/has a right to own a Gun, then WHY deny IRAN from having its own nuclear weapon to protect itself?
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 1:00:41 AM
Hope you like my web site's tribute to these poor kids and their families. Mention the killing spree and get 10% off your next purchase!
Spaz
2/17/2008 1:00:11 AM
Hey Eric, can I pre order my glock lunch box? And does it come with one or two high caps?
New: School Lunch Box & Glock
2/17/2008 12:57:07 AM
GUns R Us now sells School LUnch Box with matchin glock. Be the first in your morgue to get one today!
TX
2/17/2008 12:56:09 AM
Texas - The closet of Merica.
Yup Merica Is Third Rate Now
2/17/2008 12:55:32 AM
Yup Merica Is Third Rate Now...here's the proof from Puff Daddy!
Why don't you pathetic gun control freaks go fuck youselves. We have rights as Americans to own guns. Who the fuck is going to protect us if we can't protect ourselves? I was mugged while visiting Dallas by 3 niggers. Where the fuck were the cops? I now have a permit to legally carry a gun. I tote around a Glock 10mm and dare any fuckin nigger to try and mug me now! So the message to you fuckin cry babies shouting about gun control "Go fuck yourselves and try walking in the dark in nigger town! See if you survive motherfucker!!!"
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:55:27 AM
My company is the leader seller of guns for school killings. Nobody else can beat us.
akarmedandready
2/17/2008 12:54:42 AM
guns do not kill people,phsyco's off there meds do.cars kill more people everyday than guns.want your car taken away.those that oppose firearm ownership just remember if they take my 2nd amendment rights all the amendments will go away and you losers will not be able to voice your meaningless opinions.if we could carry on campus this could have been prevented.notice how this always happens in a state that restricts ownership the most,in an area that prevents carrying firearms.wake up and smell the gunpowder.laws only restrict those that obey the laws.AKARMEDANDREADY
Where DId Euro Trash Come From?
2/17/2008 12:53:27 AM
What a bunch of LUGGENS. If you can't win or get your way Mericans automatically blame everyone but themselves...I know I'm MERICAN and sorry to say not very patriotic when I see the trash our country has become how its despised even more since BUshes have ruined our reputation and made MERICA even more dangerous. Our foreign policy is a disaster and we will pay an enormous price down the road. We really believe our history which is riddled with inaccurate and patriotic symbolism. Of course each country believes its history..guess where we got the information from. Do you repect or believe anything on the media? Look up persuasion (myth origin) and influence. We are third rate now!
WipeThisThingClean
2/17/2008 12:51:01 AM
Jayco- You a top or bottom? Where do you live?
Away from the Hypocrites
2/17/2008 12:50:51 AM
At least you know your kids college fund is safe ..they may not be when a gunman with a gun they bought from you shows up on their college campus and has a field day. Again OH THE IRONY.
Citizen X
2/17/2008 12:50:30 AM
Why don't you pathetic gun control freaks go fuck youselves. We have rights as Americans to own guns. Who the fuck is going to protect us if we can't protect ourselves? I was mugged while visiting Dallas by 3 niggers. Where the fuck were the cops? I now have a permit to legally carry a gun. I tote around a Glock 10mm and dare any fuckin nigger to try and mug me now! So the message to you fuckin cry babies shouting about gun control "Go fuck yourselves and try walking in the dark in nigger town! See if you survive motherfucker!!!"
Merica
2/17/2008 12:49:56 AM
Duh-Merica
Jayco
2/17/2008 12:48:52 AM
WipeThisThingClean- You are right... facts. Just like the fact Adam and Eve lived with the dinosaurs and that there is no such thing as evolution. Damn Liberals.
Shaniqua
2/17/2008 12:48:35 AM
I seen on cnn thet you soled this manaic machine guns that shoot 30bulits why you need to shoot 30 bulitS/ in case you seen 30 deers in the wopdS/ no so he can shoot 30 peeples. you well got to hell and thank the merdurer forhis blud moneys
Jerko Automotive
2/17/2008 12:46:08 AM
Ahhh now this is Freedom of Speech that you MERICANS always talk about! How do you like it so far? Not much from what I read. Say, you didn't answer the question, "How did the White House get its name?" This is your opportunity to let the world know how literate you are. I agree bring the bodies of your fallen home..that we can agree on..also your MIA that everyone or most would like to forget. BUt, you dishonour the millions of other fallen service people who fought with you so that MERICA isn't MAZATALAN. So, as usual you MERICAN think the center of the world is DALLAS. But your on your way to becoming third world and third rate.
Away from the hypocrites
2/17/2008 12:44:49 AM
Drug dealers don't kill people the drugs do. Yeah that works. I know one thing I surely would put a bullet (oh the irony) in the head of a drug dealer who sold my sister drugs that killed her. I wonder if the same goes for the gun dealer who sells a gun to a sociopath who kills a couple of people at a mall, high school, college, a McDonalds, a Luby's, in front of Congress.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:44:21 AM
I am a killer.
WTF
2/17/2008 12:44:17 AM
Merica - The land of the Hypocritical Conservative Gay Lover's.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/17/2008 12:44:08 AM
Jayco: The problem is, the Eurotrash has throughout their lives been taught an entirely different version of history than we got when we were going through school. Our history lessons were based on facts.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:43:01 AM
WipeThisThingClean- You can wipe me clean anytime. Let's get together and pump each others shotguns.
WipeThisThingClean
2/17/2008 12:41:33 AM
Seriously, Eric Thompson, you are to blame for these murders. Let's have gay sex like the real conservative Jesus lovers we are. Just like the many other republicans to get caught in man love.
WTF
2/17/2008 12:41:26 AM
Merica only steps in when its own ass is on fire.
I'm NO Senators SON
2/17/2008 12:39:15 AM
Yup foreiengers (can't spell either) have given you morons a history lesson and we are going to change your history. Can't stand the truth..so cut and run and pretend it didn't happen like a few wars we know of?
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:38:16 AM
I can't wait to be ass raped by Hitler in hell.
Soap?
2/17/2008 12:37:21 AM
"Soap!, No soap for you today!" - The SOAP NAZI
Jayco Automotive
2/17/2008 12:36:38 AM
Merica didn't bail anyone out? Its AMERICA dumb fuck learn to spell, we joined late because maybe we didnt think your pathetic asses were worth saving, we lost less men because we fough with resolve to win, which we did. we got an uncondition surrender to US the United States Of America. Not the Russians, or the rest of the Eurotrash. Actually we should own Europe if we kept what we died for, but all we ever asked for was ground enough to bury our dead. I think to truly honor the servicemen that have died they need to be brought home to American soil so that the soil of Untied Euro-UK-Trash of the world does not contaminate their hallowed graves.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:36:36 AM
I am no more to blame than the car dealer who sold the car to a drunk driving..... well, except that a car can do other things besides kill people.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:36:20 AM
I would like to order the life of one innocent child for here, and the life of another innocent child to go please.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/17/2008 12:35:47 AM
Seriously, Admin - please wipe out everything here. The foreigners have invaded our borders again.
Jerko Automotive
2/17/2008 12:35:24 AM
Hey history buff..don't quit your boring day job at changing tires and serving Mercians. Keep up those skills so someday soon you can work for a Mexican who will paint the White House and change it's color to "Chicken Yellow" or "Taco Green". God Bless Merica..Land of The Free..Home of the Cut and Run".
WhatAreGuns
2/17/2008 12:34:41 AM
Merica the land of old white farts.
Eric Thomson
2/17/2008 12:33:38 AM
Does anyone know a good soap for getting blood off your hands?
Jerko Automotive
2/17/2008 12:32:24 AM
You didn't answer the question Jerko Automotive..."HOw did the White House become white and forever on be known as the White House"?
Here's the answer oh knowledgeable one:
The White House has a fascinating history. The main building was burned by the British in 1814 during the War of 1812. Afterward, when the building was being restored, the smoke-stained gray stone walls were painted white. The name “White House,” however, was not used officially until President Theodore Roosevelt had it engraved on his stationery in 1901. Prior to that, the building was known variously as the “President's Palace,” the “President's House,” and the “Executive Mansion.”
Eic Thompson
2/17/2008 12:32:15 AM
I kill children
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:31:33 AM
I'm Eric Thompson and I approve of these killings.
Eric THompson
2/17/2008 12:31:32 AM
I kill people.
ScrewYou
2/17/2008 12:30:58 AM
Merica could've been a great nation. But then the conservative's took over.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:29:21 AM
I am a murderer
Jayco Automotive
2/17/2008 12:28:03 AM
No your incorrect on all your facts Jayco Automotive. But I was impressed on how you could rhyme all those numbers off. Do the numbers mean anything? YOur grasp of history is amusing but wrong. Tell us again those numbers. Say, can your Christian fearing children rattle off those numbers as well? Here's a number..how many soldiers are dead as of now in Iraq? And...why?
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:27:40 AM
Guns don't kill people - I do when I sell the guns
Yes
2/17/2008 12:26:58 AM
Is There A Drive Through Gun Store? Sure there is. This is Merica, waddya expect.
Question: Is There A Drive Through Gun Store?
2/17/2008 12:23:53 AM
Question: Is There A Drive Through Gun Store? I need a gun,,a big mother of one fast and was wondering if I could just drive through like Burger King and get me one. OH, thanks..apparently if you go to McDonalds and get the Happy Meal you get a gun with your meal. SOmeone let Michael Moore about this for his next blockbuster, Titled "I blew off his head while eating a cheeseburger" which reminds me I forgot the ketchup.
Jayco Automotive
2/17/2008 12:23:49 AM
Canadians (Brits) Won War of 1812?
The canucks(canada) where the frech dumbass, the british lost the war of 1812, hence the reason we are American and not a british colony. As for flintlocks, WWI we used th M1903 30-06 rifle, the M1911 Colt 45, WWII we used a BAR, a Thompson submachine gun, a M1911, Genades, M1.. by the way the M1911 is still in service today. WE have won more wars, and preserved more freedoms,than you will ever know you ungrateful lil limey bastard if you are from the uk. If you are from th USA i will buy you a one way plane ticket to a country of your choice. You pathetic socialist communist Reject.
Eric _Thompson
2/17/2008 12:23:28 AM
I am going to hell. I am going to hell.
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2/17/2008 12:23:20 AM
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Merica
2/17/2008 12:22:18 AM
Mericans like to take credit for everything.
MoreGunsPlease
2/17/2008 12:21:24 AM
I'm getting me a GUN. I'm going to be a REAL MAN soon.
WipeThisThingClean
2/17/2008 12:21:19 AM
Eric sold this PSYCHO two Magazines (these hold ammo for the liberals), and a holster (this holds a gun). His company did NOT sell the psycho a gun. The PSYCHO fired the guns, not Eric. Don't blame the guy who designed the gun, blame the engineer who approved the drawings that the gun was machined from!
GunsKill
2/17/2008 12:20:02 AM
I need to buy a whole lotta Guns. Where do I go? Oh wait this is the great nation of Merica. I'll just buy them online or goto my local store round the corner. Yeehaawwwww... Here I come boys.
Late To the Party ww1, ww11
2/17/2008 12:17:57 AM
Merica didn't bail anyone out. They showed up late for both parties only because yup wait for it..they got caught with their pants down again at Pearl Harbour. So, here's your history lesson..Merica was only part of the entire WWI and WWII team. You really believe the Merican revisonist version of history they taught you? In fact the Canadians and Brits lost more lives than Merica in both wars. SO, spanky..get your shit correct. Merica can blow the crap out of anything but can't come home with a victory cause they repeat history.
Eric Thompson
2/17/2008 12:16:25 AM
Guns Kill and I am going to hell.
Canadians (Brits) Won War of 1812
2/17/2008 12:12:31 AM
Hey History expert the Brits (later Canadians) beat and won the Mericans in the War of 1812. How do you think the White House got its name? Read your history. Everyone knows they teach shit history knowledge to Mercian childuns. Oh, the wars that you quote you "won". Well, pretty impressive in that you won them all with flintlocks. Too bad you havent won one war with your multibillion dollar modern war machine. GO back to muskets you'll do well. CUT & RUN the Mericah national motto.
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2/17/2008 12:11:00 AM
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GUNS DON'T FLY
2/17/2008 12:06:17 AM
GUNS DON"T FLY...Pilots Do! PLanes Kill...if they land on your head. IF every Merican had a pilot living with them there would be no need to fear being killed by lonely "Plane". Think about it..our childern wouldn't have to fear the friendly skys! THank JESUS CHRIST GOD ALMIGHTY for this land of FREEDOMS. CHRIST YEAH!
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/17/2008 12:06:06 AM
Sorry got to get going now. Have to watch that new show "Smarter than a European".
kmhbrf
2/17/2008 12:05:23 AM
Well where ever he is from his has no clue of how things work, sad thing is the rest of the world does rely on our purchasing to help with their Gross national product. So if our ecomony takes a downward sprial then they can expect theirs to eventually to. Cause if we ain't buyin they ain't sellin...
Jayco Automotive
2/17/2008 12:03:43 AM
Did The USofA holes ever win a war?
Hmm, yes we won the: french and indian War, american war of independence 1776, war of 1812 (both the UK, we got rid of the misfits we sent them back to england), Mexico 1836, Spanish American war, phillipine insurrection, WWI, WWII and have bailed, england, france, russia, and the rest of europe out in two world wars. If not for the USA the world would be speaking german and japanese right now.
On a positive note how many frenchmen does it take to defend paris? no one knows its never been done yet.
Guns Dont Kill
2/17/2008 12:02:54 AM
Guns don't kill...AHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHaHAHAHAHaHaHahAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAhhahaHaHHaHaHaHahaahhahahahahahahahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahaha. Signed: CHARLETON HESTON
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/17/2008 12:02:10 AM
I agree 100% with Loudmouthed Texan. The criminals will always get guns. They break laws. Duh, is that why they are called CRIMINALS? If all the guns disappeared tomorrow (which I'm sorry Liberals, is not gonna happen), the CRIMINALS would just use some other kind of weapon because they would know that nobody else had guns. A vehicle weighs about 3000+ pounds depending on make/model. This is a deadly weapon. Are cars next to get outlawed? Common sense is impossible to teach, I guess.
olga
2/17/2008 12:01:42 AM
you and your gun you are just murderer, you sell death!
Living In Merica
2/17/2008 12:01:15 AM
Lets count the wins and losses. Lost Vietnam cut and run Lost COntras Lost Korea Lost Iraq Lost Afganastan Oklahoma (got caught with your pants down) Terrorists (got caught with your pants down again) WOrld Trade the first time (geeez caught with your knickers yup down again!!) Won WWII but came in late after the party started Lost Panama..Imelda still got to keep her shoes on Won Grenada..but only had a weekend army to deal with Lost Falklands (trick question) Lost surprise desert attack (ask Jimmy about that one) Lost just about every military venture you tried. So, what makes you think you can win the war on drugs. Ohoh..more guns. At least you will appear to the world to be the great warriors your not. Oh you can destroy perfectly..just can't seem to win anything
Its Already Here Stupid!
2/16/2008 11:59:25 PM
Hey stupid the recession is already here. The DEMS and REP were talking war talk at the begining of the campaign but no mention of your dead now...just economy. Mericans really are blind to their plight.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 11:58:52 PM
Wipe This Thing Clean is a liberal fag lover. Don't let him get to you drew.
Proud American
2/16/2008 11:58:20 PM
Has it occurred any one that if college campuses didnt ban law abiding people from carrying guns, maybe less attacks would take place? Maybe someone would have a gun to stop the criminal with? I know this little bit of logic may confuse some people, but when is the last time you heard of a mass murder at a police station or a gun store?
Wonder Why??????
No Its Merica
2/16/2008 11:57:20 PM
No its "Merica" if its good enough for George Bush to call it that then we'll it that. We could call it "Moral Pygmy" but that would hurt the feelings of you Mericans. Jealous..think not. What is there to be jealous of? The country is bankrupt and becoming third world. OH, but you have your freedoms..try living and eating freedom.
To: RecessionOnItsWay
2/16/2008 11:55:06 PM
When the recession hits and things get really bad like you say they will...maybe everyone who came here to live, since it is so much better, will go back to your country? Where is that by the way? So we'll know where to send everyone.
Learn how to spell
2/16/2008 11:53:54 PM
Its A-M-E-R-I-C-A.
And you are just jealous of our freedoms.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/16/2008 11:51:45 PM
Ohhhh..don't turn your back to this dude cause he's as queer and hankering for your butt hole little friend. You sound like your right out of a merican movie like...ahhh...Bambi, no not Bambi oh I know...The THree Amigos (dip shit, dick head and twinky) . What a granola bunch ..fruits, nuts and flakes.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 11:51:40 PM
NC: that's another misconception. A semi-automatic (sometimes called automatic, but it is not an automatic) fires one round each time the trigger is pulled. Automatic weapons are not generally available to the general public, even in the US. Regarding your other question, I don't favor more restrictions on the purchase of handguns. Gun ownership is recognized as a right - do we really want to start heading down the slippery slope of regulating rights? I do support the existing restrictions and requirements for concealed carry in the states that allow shall-issue concealed carry. Illinois is one more restrictive states it comes to handgun sales, and those additional restrictions obviously failed in this case. Criminal rarely obtain handguns through normal channels - it does happen (as it did in this case), but not all that often. Felons have easy access to guns through black market channels and I don't see that changing in either of our lifetimes.
Recession ON ITS Way!
2/16/2008 11:48:40 PM
America...you may want to sell your guns for scarp metal soon so you can afford scap food when you economy goes into a nose dive. YOu my friends are about to become a third world country with second rate government. The Saudis are making monkeys out of you and Georgie Bush and the old man have got you there. Enjoy poverty..perhaps you could use your guns to shoot some pidgeons or a fat talk show host for dinner. Jesus YES!
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/16/2008 11:47:43 PM
Drew, don't even start with me. I am PRO-gun. Don't be a fool. You want a battle of wits with me like you want a case of herpes. I have fired guns since I was 10, and of course owned my first gun the day I turned 18. You don't want to turn on me. I'm on your side. But don't start attacking me with unfounded BS. It will backfire on you.
kmhbrf
2/16/2008 11:47:03 PM
(continued from prior post) then a individual must fill out a 4473. you must also pass a background check run through the NCIS system. In the state of Illinois you must also have a FOID (firearms owner id card) issued by the State police who conduct a background check, this is needed for both ammo and firearms within the state of Illinois.
As far as mags and holsters, this can be purchased from just about anywhere from walmart to gander mountain or any large sporting goods store. There are no laws against selling any of these items.
Further more the breakdown in preventing this tragedy is due to the fact that, patient/doctor privlige keeps mental records from being disclosed to law enforcement or general public. Therefore our own combination of laws and breakdown in goverment that caused most of this mess.
the last thing we need are more laws....
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 11:42:21 PM
Wipe This Thing Clean- You wouldn't know what to do with a gun - you tofu eating Eurotrash conservative wannabe.
Stop posting under my name, Drew
2/16/2008 11:41:02 PM
Stop posting under my name, Drew
Drew what? A picture of your Ahole?
Read Below...Discussion Over
2/16/2008 11:39:39 PM
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
"Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded," says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."
Jesus For NRA President
2/16/2008 11:37:45 PM
Since Charleton Heston is now drooling and shitting and pissing himself these days and since Jesus packs (not his lunch) I propose we nominate him for president of the NRA. THis way we can kill indiscrimately and still have god on our side. Comments from all you heathens?
RedNecksMustGo
2/16/2008 11:37:34 PM
Stop posting under my name, Drew.
kmhbrf
2/16/2008 11:33:02 PM
I am not one to normally respond to this type of thing however, I feel that it is necessary to explain how things actually work. First I have a FFL (federal firearms lincense. Mine is a collectors lincense issued by the ATF to me. It does not allow me to resale firearms but does allow me to purchase certain firearms and have them shipped to my self.
My firearms collection consist of everything from muskets to WW2 beltfed firearms. I have never been convicted of anything nor shown any sign of mental issues, infact I have only had a speeding ticket once.
In order for a individual to purchase a firearm you must purchase face to face
Jayco Automotive
2/16/2008 11:32:46 PM
Message From: Susan on 2/15/2008 9:57:47 PM
And who would Jesus sell guns to? What would Jesus pack?
Um i remember one time Christ told the apostle Peter to buy a sword, the equivelent of todays m16. Both a military assault weapon. So no, Jesus did not pack but supported the armed citizen.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/16/2008 11:31:44 PM
Actually Drew Hill, I dispise the fact that Meldremar agrees with me. I am as conservative as they get. I just bought a Springfild XD45 bi-tone, and a flashlight/laser sight for the built-in picatinny rail....
Your rants and personal bashing is not exemplary of the collective intelligence of conservatives in general. Profanity is a way of making ignorance audible. I expect better of you...
The CISCO KID
2/16/2008 11:30:29 PM
Say CISCO...what are you going to do with your new car the mericans gave you and house? Well, Poncho, first I'm going to run for office and win and then become President of the United States of Foreigners which I shall rename once in office. Then I am going to bring back the draft and send these dumb mericans with their 300 million guns to their friends the Saudis of Arabia. ONce we have their country we bring all mexico here. Oh Cisco...Oh Poncho!
Meldremar
2/16/2008 11:26:15 PM
Wipe this thing Clean, I whole heartedly agree. I was cornered by the same people and others, as they used their mouths as weapons of insults towards me and others. The issue at hand is guns. We all need to educate ourselves so we're all on the same page. Otherwise, like this website, it's chaotic and out of control.
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 11:25:55 PM
You are right, Drew Hill.
I am a pimple-faced geek who is 35 years old and still lives in his mommies basement. I've never worked a day in my life, and continue to subsist on nothing but Oreo Cookies and Mountain Dew. But at least I recycle my aluminum Mt. Dew cans to help my mom pay the elecrical bill.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 11:25:48 PM
Wipe this thing clean- Kiss my ass. You libiral fagget.
To NC
2/16/2008 11:25:33 PM
Where did you EVER read anything about gun rights being ONLY for hunting and target shooting???????? We enjoy our right to bear arms for personal protection. Semi-auto means: 1 trigger pull gives you 1 shot..........Full-auto (not involved in this case or any others I can remember recently) gives you 1 trigger pull and rapid fire. Full Auto weapons were not used in any of the recent shootings that I can recall, unless you watched "Scarface" on HBO and thought it was real. You are right about one thing though...Full Auto was not designed for precision target practice.
No CLEVER
2/16/2008 11:25:26 PM
No I meant exactly as I wrote it...CLEVER.. Now aren't I CLEVER to have baited you like the good merican you are? DOn't shoot me...i am unarmed.
Foreigners Are What?
2/16/2008 11:23:57 PM
Ohh the feared Foreigners. I'd be more worried about your neighbours. You try to keep mexicans out (foreigners) and then you give them amnesty, health care, voting rights. Don't talk about foreigners cause my friend you are officially a "foreigner" in your own country now. THanks to a fucked up crimial government who gives it to you up the ass and then asks you to agree with their pillaging. Dumb and DUmber mericas are.
in NC
2/16/2008 11:23:31 PM
Sorry, have to add this as separate follow-up b/c the posts are limited to 1000 characters:
(3) It's often repeated that the "bad guys" will always get their hands on guns no matter if all the "good guys" have all their guns taken away.......but the question of exactly where these bad guys GET their guns is never addressed. My assumption is that many "good" guns wind up in "bad" hands through theft, black-market sales, etc. Am I wrong about this?
Thanks for replies; really (sincerely) just trying to make a best-informed decision of how I feel about this issue.
WIPE THIS THING CLEAN
2/16/2008 11:21:19 PM
The content of this discussion thread has done nothing but go downhill - Between Drew Hill and RedNecksMustGo, the collective IQ of the entire universe has been decreased. Intelligent people don't throw around unfounded insults and compare their income. Both of these have nothing to do with the subject matter at hand. Why don't you call eachother with your shared phone numbers and quit wasting our time.
ShutTheHellUp
2/16/2008 11:21:18 PM
Beaver Clever... you mean "cleaver" don't you? You dipshit.
Question for USA bashers
2/16/2008 11:19:48 PM
Why the heck are so many foreigners on this website??? If you guys hate the U.S. so much, why are you wasting your time worrying about our problems? We'll manage, but thanks for all of your concern. We'll also be around to help you out wherever you are because we're a benevolent country. It is confusing me why so many anti-Americans are using a U.S. school shooting as a rally point for their jealous rantings about how much they dislike people who probably don't dislike them. You hate our people or our government? I don't get it. The foreign nationals here don't seem to hate the U.S. so bad. They are all getting rich over here enjoying freedom and capitalism.
from NC
2/16/2008 11:19:01 PM
(1) As I understand it, these "automatic" or semi-automatic" weapons (whatever they're called) allow the user to fire many bullets with one squeeze of a trigger. What is the legitimate reason for making these available? I thought hunting and target-shooting is meant for single-bullet shots.
(2) If the law-abiding gun ownership group which is represented on here wants to prevent the "bad guys" from soiling their credibility, wouldn't it make sense that THEY are more demanding than ANYone that the most stringent rules are in place to limit guns to only those folks who absolutely prove they're qualified for the privilege? I mean, to be registered to practice my profession, I had to study for and take an exam so rigorous that it took three days; would I have wished it to be easier? sure; but the fact is, I'm GLAD the only ones who are allowed to perform what I do were screened that harshly, for the benefit of my own reputation.
Cherik Bulkes
2/16/2008 11:16:07 PM
GFZ: "lethal weapons only belong in the hands of trained professionals", yes, I agree with that. Perhaps you agree that current check protocols have repeatedly demonstrated to be ineffective. Looking a person in the eye is very different than signing anonymous documents. We, as a society and individuals must bear that responsibility. Having armed forces in each classroom is something I'd expect in warzone, not in a free country. There are non-lethal defensive tools available today, which can provide lesser trained individuals with a sense of security, with minimal risk to society. A proper background check takes a lot of effort and time. Apparently that's too hard.
Beaver CLEVER
2/16/2008 11:03:59 PM
Ahhh it's refreshing to read about another murder in the great USA that didn't involve a gun. Thank god (you guys like to say that don't you..thank god) THe further south and the more violent and the more guns you like to use god a lot. Just wondering if there is a correlation to the more violence the more times you use and refer to god? Get back to me on that one. Anyway, back to clevers. It seems more personal and more fair when a USA whacknut kills a citizen with an official Beaver CLEVER. Its like of like the GM motto, "Parts To GO". Maybe you mericans should replace the 300 or 1 billion guns for 1 billion clevers. It would make for some real good tv viewing on cops, amw, oprah, phil (wife won't let him out of her site), and other assorted and sordid tv entertainment suitable for the entire family. Like Leave It To Beaver CLEVER.
Did The USofA holes ever win a war?
2/16/2008 10:56:17 PM
Lets count the wins and losses.
Lost Vietnam cut and run
Lost COntras
Lost Korea
Lost Iraq
Lost Afganastan
Oklahoma (got caught with your pants down)
Terrorists (got caught with your pants down again)
WOrld Trade the first time (geeez caught with your knickers yup down again!!)
Won WWII but came in late after the party started
Lost Panama..Imelda still got to keep her shoes on
Won Grenada..but only had a weekend army to deal with
Lost Falklands (trick question)
Lost surprise desert attack (ask Jimmy about that one)
Lost just about every military venture you tried. So, what makes you think you can win the war on drugs. Ohoh..more guns. At least you will appear to the world to be the great warriors your not. Oh you can destroy perfectly..just can't seem to win anything.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 10:52:22 PM
I was proud to be an American, but after today and tonight, I don't think so. There is so much hate on this website. It's sad. The USA is falling apart. A meat cleaver murder in NY this past week; the ID'd body of college student in Reno, Brenna Dennison found strangled, her body dumped; the 5 shootings this past week; the drag racing killing 7 people; The world is slowly coming to an end.
God Bless Merica..
2/16/2008 10:45:41 PM
FUCKED UP REALLY BAD COUNTRY that is so inbred their children are killing each other. Good job parents. AHHH, first you bring black folk over in chains to work for you lazy owners and now ahahaha the next president is going to be...you AfroCentric! Looks very good on the black community. They are having the last laugh. DO I sense fear? No problem...just double up on your guns to 600 no make that 1 billion owned guns. There that should make you feel very secure. The more the better and the more safe you are. From each other! Its fun watching you dummies eat each other for breakfast. Enron, Arthur Anderson, EDS...as the USofA holes is so entertaining. Keep up the good work inbreds.
300 million guns didn't kill anyone last night!
2/16/2008 10:38:17 PM
What an ignorant statement. Ask yourself why a country's citizens need 300 million guns? USofA holes is the most insecure country on the globe. Oh, the dead and their families who were killed really appreciate this gun site to have this so well meaning website tribute. Makes me feel good all over. What else did they do for the victims..oh..co-opoerate with the authorities. Wow that is so generous. Perhaps you could send them a sympathy card too on behalf of the 300 million gun owners who haven't killed yet. Ahhh, the USA protecting itself from its own citizens..think about it. USofA the most hated country in the AXIS OF EVIL>
Heelsfan
2/16/2008 10:31:28 PM
EKUJUSTICE-
How's Dean Allen Ault. What is his take on the NIU shootings?
Guns Don't Kill..Americans Do!
2/16/2008 10:31:08 PM
What a sick society the USofA holes has and is. YOu love your guns and oprah and dr phil (your pants), you love your 48 hours, cops, americas most wanted and on and on. YOu love other peoples misery to the point you have made it an entertainment industry. No wonder your youth are so screwed up and violent. God bless america, guns, money and violence. The world watches you num nuts and shakes it head. Love your guns...its as good as playing with your sawed off peckers. God bless america cause no one else sure as hell will. Pukes.
Andrew Clements
2/16/2008 10:27:44 PM
Hi everyone. Is this the hotmansex.com chatroom? Ooops... wrong site.
Heelsfan
2/16/2008 10:21:43 PM
EKUJUSTICE-
I hope we only see your name in the sports section. Good people like yourself; I'm not worried about. But when a person out of the blue;gets a license, buys several guns, buys ammo, buys multi-shot magazines....wouldn't that shoot up a red flag?
Sam
2/16/2008 10:20:26 PM
Drew - RednecksMustGo is right - you are an idiot.
EKUJUSTICE
2/16/2008 10:11:05 PM
Heelsfan: Yes I know they were single shot only guns back then. What I am referring to is they wrote the constitution with what was avaliable at the time and it evolves as times evolve same as the media evolved from news papers only to to internet, tv, radio etc same as the guns involved but the intent is still the same. So what if he sold them to college students in a college town. Is there not other uses for guns other than to shoot up schools. They are legal adults so why should it set off a bell since they chose to go to college over walking out of HS into the work world. I have plenty of High capacity mags I actually use for sporting competitions(uspsa)and have plenty of 18, 21,and 28 round pistol mags, 30 round rifle mags and even a nice 100 round beta mag for the rifle which are used in competitions. Does that mean it should set off a bell since I am a Sr in college since I am buying these? Guns or mag capacity isnt the issue as people will commit crimes regardless
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 10:10:18 PM
Drew- I called that fake number you gave me. I'll just call you at work tomorrow. 1-800-Pep-Boys is easy to remember. Maybe your mom can write it on your underwear for you to remember.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 10:06:37 PM
Redneck Must Go -
Thanks for the number to the police depatment in Chicago on Michigan Ave; now what is your real Number?
RenecksMustGo
2/16/2008 10:03:42 PM
Drew-
You have been on this stupid message board for like 6 hours now. If you have a "hot" wife, then why did you spend an entire Sat. night on the Internet? Were you sitting around counting your "stacks of money"? Bullshit to both.
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 10:01:10 PM
Drew- 101 IQ is not genius level. I've read your posts. You are no genius.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:56:08 PM
Have a good night coward. If you want to talk to someone and not hide behind that computer of yours, give me a call. I'm going to kiss on my sweet beautiful wife. See yah!
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 9:54:11 PM
Drew- You are from Texas? That figures. Fucking redneck jackass. If I call this late will I wake up your mommy and daddy?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:51:32 PM
That's obviously your work number. What a douche. Give me call and we can settle this ;)
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:50:27 PM
It's amazing how much crap a coward like REDNECKS MUST GO can talk when they can hide behind a computer. Must be a European.
RenecksMustGo
2/16/2008 9:49:41 PM
(312) 746-6000
Chicago is a long drive from redneck assf*ck Alabama... sure your 1989 Geo Metro can make it. Maybe if you save all of your Jiffy Lube pay you could get yourself a ticket on one of them jet planes you done read about in Guns and Ammo.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:49:18 PM
He REDNECKS MUST GO, give me a call 361-889-6784. You need to be put in your place.
Rednecks are nice :)
2/16/2008 9:47:37 PM
He REDNECKS MUST GO, give me a call 512-989-6784. You need to be put in your place.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 9:45:49 PM
Lets put this in better perspective. If the shooter had never entered Cole Hall and had a job as a cab driver...your family gets into his cab and whatever it is that sets him off causes him to drive the cab off a bridge...would a portion of the blame go to Chevrolet for building the car he drove off the bridge? Would their be a forum to discuss it? Cars are made for many purposes - so are guns. Police, Army, Self-Defense, Competitive Shooting, Hunting, and so on and so on.
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 9:45:11 PM
If you would email a stranger your 1099, you are a bigger idiot than I thought.
You can't even form a cogent sentence. What in the f*ck does you last post even mean:
"You can tell by the way REDNECKS MUST GO talks that he is some teenage kid with a little hormone courage on his side."
God you are such a dumb little redneck.
It is sad.
2/16/2008 9:44:21 PM
You owner of the company should be felling very good, you made a sale and protect your rights to own a gun.
I hope you will be able to go to any of the families that are on pain and explain that their soon died for a good reason, you just made money for the second time.
Think about that, how would you feel about if it was one of your families?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:42:59 PM
REDNECKS MUST GO, why don't you shoot me your number or email and we can handle this face to face instead of hide behind a computer.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:41:40 PM
111, don't you understand that you can't just have a firearm mailed to you? It must go through a local dealer and all the normal paperwork be filled out just like any other firearms purchase. You show ignorance when you don't research first.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 9:39:18 PM
CHERIK BULKES - So, based on your last post directed at me, we are in complete agreement. You AGREE that Gun Free Zones don't work AND that had an off-duty police officer or former U.S. military veteran (they're young now, given the recent activity) been present in the class AND able to legally be armed, the perpetrator could have been stopped. According to your post, the key in that situation is being armed AND being trained. Either of the aforementioned examples would have easily fit into your definition of trained, right?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:38:55 PM
Actually, the number I say are true and I did it without a degree. I should make more. As far as you, your doctorate degree doesn't mean shit. If you do make more money than that, then you are an able individual and I can respect that. You are just going a little too far with your assumtions of me.
CommonSense
2/16/2008 9:38:49 PM
www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jan/07/justified-homicides-triple-in-memphis/
Justified homicides triple in Memphis
Criminal slayings in city fall from 150 to 131 in 2007 *************************************************Be carful of the statistics the Libtards throw around. Some of these "gun related deaths" are criminals being killed by armed citizens. The type tragedy that NIU suffered represents only a percentage of "gun-related deaths." Those are the gun-related deaths we ALL want to avoid, gun-owners and gun-haters alike. Let's find some common ground to stand on here folks. Once again...the ROOT of the problem is that these psychos are hooked on anti-depressant drugs. It's the drugs causing them to go off the deep end. Take away guns and he would have used pipe bombs or something. Forget about the guns and their accessories. He could have used anything to kill those innocent people. Let's all stand together and stand up against mis-prescribed pschotherapeutic drugs.
111
2/16/2008 9:38:26 PM
I echo the sentiments of the very first poster....
The mere fact that this website is still in existence after what has happened not just once, but twice in less than a year, makes me physically ill and in an overwhelming state of shock. The owner claims to still be hurt by the tragedy at Va Tech, yet didnt learn a d@mn thing from it. Instead, he sold firearms to another sociopath. Brilliant move.
"The next news story I want to be involved in is how I sold a firearm to someone who helped prevent tragedy – not cause it." There are plenty of other ways to make a decent, honest living in this country other than to be a weapons dealer. Maybe you should look into them, and then you'll be just an innocent bystander rather than an accomplice....
Onepoint
2/16/2008 9:38:21 PM
"FACT : In 2007 <150 persons died in the UK due to gun realted FACT: In 2007 >36000 persons died in the US due to gun related incidents FACT: The UK has strict gun control laws and the US does not."
FACT: 2006 there was 42,642 vehicular fatalities in the US. The UK? 3,172. Using the same simple blanket reasoning above says that the UK must have banned cars to have such as disparity between the numbers. Reality shows its not so.
heelsfan
2/16/2008 9:37:50 PM
EKUJUSTICE- Better go do some studies on the weapons of the 1700's. They were single shot ; that's why they fought in columns of at least three, so the other columns could reload. The inventions of TV, Internet, dynamite, nuclear power, and guns are all good in good peoples hands. But, when you sell them to a student in a college town and four of them in two months time with 31 shot magazines....please let the police know when you do that in NC; because I have kids in school there!!!
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:37:03 PM
You can tell by the way REDNECKS MUST GO talks that he is some teenage kid with a little hormone courage on his side.
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 9:35:59 PM
Glad that slip and fall/workers comp/disability settlement came in for you. I can tell you that I have a doctorate degree and make a good deal more than that. Anyway, I am sure you are full of shit (more like $17K per year).
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:33:40 PM
Lorenzo, what has got the anti-American bug up your ass? Are you French? Hell, we really helped them.
The truth
2/16/2008 9:33:08 PM
It’s a shame that we live in a society that thinks individuals do not have to take responsibility for their own actions. People think its ok to blame everyone around them for what they do it’s never their own fault. The people who commit the crimes are the ones responsible and no one else. We have been killing and slaughtering each other since we have been on the earth, long before firearms. If every firearm on earth disappeared today we would go back to killing each other with swords, sticks and whatever else we could find. But the fact is and always has been the person committing the crime is the one responsible. To quote something Archie Bunker said “Would you feel any better if they were pushed out of windows?” The point being if someone decides they want to kill other people they will and have always done it firearms or not. It is not the fault of this website or the gun manufactures. Just like it was not the fault of people that made swords and bow & arrows years ago.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:32:08 PM
Send me your email and I'll send you copies of my 1099s and my wife and I's picture. Then you can send me yours and we will see who is the idiot.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:31:14 PM
I tell you what big mouth REDNECKS MUST GO let's touch base over the phone and see who's the man. Loud mouth punk. I stack money, stay in shape, have an above genius IQ and a hot wife to boot. Don't get ahead of yourself tiger.
RednecksMustGo
2/16/2008 9:28:08 PM
Drew- You talk about "saving the Europeans' ass... again." You speak as if you personally fought in WWII. You had nothing to do with that, you stupid little redneck. You are nothing but talk.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:27:36 PM
I tell you what REDNECK MUST GO, I made 17k a month last year and have a gorgeous wife. I also did it all before I was 25 and without degrees. How about you?
LORENZO IS A FAG
2/16/2008 9:25:54 PM
Lorenzo, nobody here is taking anything from the Soviets and their sacrifice in pushing out the nazis. All we are saying is that they kept territory and we did not. We helped Western Germany and molded it into what is all of Germany now and were out long before Russia left after the Berllin wall fell. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Lorenzo
2/16/2008 9:19:10 PM
To Admin: please let me go off topic for the last time just to explain some history to SAM. I hope you give me this opportunity.
To SAM:
Us army DID NOT save Europe from the Red Army. In Yalta conference (1945) Roosevelt (your president)asked Stalin's Red Army to give some HELP to US against Japan. Stalin, Churchill and later Truman decided together what to do after the WW2. 10,700,000 soviets died to free Europe and Russia from Nazis. I ask you to study history AGAIN.
off topic closed. Thanks to Admin if you gave me this opportunity and good night.
A small sentence IN TOPIC: too many people out there are psychological unstable. Selling too many weapons without proper and repeated controls is too dangerous.
REDNECKS MUST GO
2/16/2008 9:19:00 PM
Drew- You are such a stupid little redneck. You can't even spell "faggot" correctly. You call me a biggot but use the term "fagget" (as you spell it) in almost every post on this site (why is homosexuality always on your mind?). Do you even know what bigotry is, redneck? I bet you are some fat slob redneck with a high school education (if you made it that far) who works in at a Jiffy Lube and jerks off to Internet porn (probably gay porn) every night.
Drew Hill on 2/16/2008 8:11:42 PM
Hey, REDNECKS MUST GO, take your anti-American liberal fagget-ass agenda and go to another website that supports your bigotry. And if you think that all gun owners are ignorant or not high income earners, you are sadly mistaken facist.
ekujustice
2/16/2008 9:11:58 PM
It isn't the guns that are a problem it is the stupid gun free zones. Look at the recent major shootings, they are happening in gun free zones for a reason. They go where they do not expect any kind or resistance at all and there is no one there able to defend themselves so they are in total control.
I also disagree that they only wrote the constitution for single shot rifles. The very guns that the people owned back then were the same guns the military used at the time and those private guns won your freedom. So do you think they would have even conceived tv, radio or internet back then yet those rights of the first amendment apply to those new technologies too.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 9:08:04 PM
Lorenzo, you're a F*CKING DUMB-ASS when it comes to history. We pushed all of Germany out of Western Europe. Then after the war was over, we evn parachuted food and supplies to help the German people too! We took nothing as far as territory. YOU UNGREATFUL WRETCH! USSR took over most of Eastern Europe for 45 or so years.
SAM
2/16/2008 8:59:20 PM
Message From: Lorenzo on 2/16/2008 8:53:54 PM
US didn't save Europe from Hitler. US cam to Europe to avoid the Red army to get all of it, AFTER the Red Army already destroyed the Nazis. Read history and enjoy the country you live in.
..............................................................................................
Ok. Well "You're welcome" for us saving you from the Red Army. Last time I checked my history books the U.S. didn't own any territory in Europe...so we didn't actually beat the Red Army to it??? We just saved you from them??? Is that right??? Germans or Red Army...whoever you please. We saved your happy butt. THAT is all.
NIU Alumni 1980
2/16/2008 8:56:07 PM
I respect your right to bear arms as put forth by the Fathers of our great Nation. They were probably thinking in the realm of a single shot rifle and maybe a pistol of some sorts.... But I know they never dreamed of a 9mm glock with a 31 shot magazine; wasn't 15 enough?
Julianna Gehant was from my hometown and a veteran of the Iraq War. She didn't have a chance. Over 50 shots in two minutes ...We are Blessed that he only killed a few....
Lorenzo
2/16/2008 8:53:54 PM
US didn't save Europe from Hitler. US cam to Europe to avoid the Red army to get all of it, AFTER the Red Army already destroyed the Nazis. Read history and enjoy the country you live in.
SAM
2/16/2008 8:52:02 PM
Message From: Lorenzo on 2/16/2008 8:37:11 PM
It must be terrible to live in US. What I read here is that people DO NOT FEEL SAFE WITHOUT A GUN AT HOME. Your country looks sick to me. Thanks God I was born in Europe!
Thanks to God is right. You can also thank America that your fabulous Europe is not all one big country called Germany. You're welcome. That's all.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:47:10 PM
It's no surprise that most Western Europeans have the same liberal/facist view of their fore-fathers, history repeats itself. They will fall to another tyrant, just as they did in the 20th century. Ask someone from Eastern Europe though, I've been over ther and alot of them have guns in their house as they were squashed by communism (another form liberal crap) for 50 years after WW2 and they are willing to stand up for their freedom.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 8:44:34 PM
Attention Limeys and other Eurotrash: nobody here really cares about your disapproval and moaning and groaning about America. Every European I've known (particularly in college) has been adamant about getting US Citizenship and bailing on mother Europe, even when it meant leaving their parents and other family behind. I've never met an American with any interest in attaining European citizenship. Spare us. We didn't ask and we don't care.
DREW HILL
2/16/2008 8:44:23 PM
HERE IS WHO LIBERALS AGREE WITH!!--------->
"This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our street will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
-----ADOLF HITLER 1935
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:42:55 PM
Lorenzo, like they said earlier in the blog, talk all the European crap you want, but when it comes time to save your ass AGAIN, we know who you'll call on cause all you know how to do is wave the white flag.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:40:12 PM
Great "Gun Toting Liberal Fag" go away.
Lorenzo
2/16/2008 8:37:11 PM
It must be terrible to live in US. What I read here is that people DO NOT FEEL SAFE WITHOUT A GUN AT HOME. Your country looks sick to me. Thanks God I was born in Europe!
Gun Toting Liberal Republican Troll
2/16/2008 8:31:20 PM
Politically incorrect Statement for the day, but it still relates and applies to the idiotic comments on this forum. "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics; Even if you win, you're still retarded." Don't bother ranting in my direction, I won't be wasting my time waiting around to read any responses.
MikeHunt
2/16/2008 8:30:05 PM
FACT : In 2007 <150 persons died in the UK due to gun realted
FACT: In 2007 >36000 persons died in the US due to gun related incidents
FACT: The UK has strict gun control laws and the US does not.
Let us at last stop the madness and place strict controls on these weapnns of mass destruction.
Cherik Bulkes
2/16/2008 8:29:40 PM
GFZ: I have some experience with this matter of "response to unknown situations". Survival response is to run or freeze, lastly engage. Few untrained individuals will naturally engage. A teacher or student concentrating in a class does not react quickly, unless this individual was trained for many months. Guns in the hands of untrained individuals serve no protective purpose. You, GFZ, may be a trained individual and may have been able to respond. I spent many hours training both my kids how to drive in dry, wet, snow and icy conditions to develop instinctive control. If I believed they needed to bear arms to defend themselves or their country in a state of war, then they should be trained to do so. My issue is with the fact that a weapon was obtained without the checks that are in place having an effect. We need to cure the root problem. Arming everyone is not a solution.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:27:31 PM
Meldremar, a good choice is a Kalashkinov! Oh wait, the latest social bigotry doesn't allow that to be cool! You should use a 12-gauge shotgun, the projectiles it shoots are nicer than AKs, just ask DREAMER, ROB and REDNECKS SHOULD GO; the liberal douche crowd.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:22:26 PM
DREAMER, another liberal douche....GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FAGGET IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE! We are not changing! Once again, another idiot who only knowledge of firearms is the media and youtube.........
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 8:17:49 PM
Meldremar: if you have questions about the issue, why not start by asking them here? I think you'll quickly find that gun owners and concealed carry advocates will be more than happy to help you decide what you want to do to protect yourself and your family, and to set you up so you can make an informed decision about guns. The pro-gun crowd is not a bloodthirsty mob and will always be there to help someone who's on the fence make the right decision. To answer your question about politicians: they have no special insight into guns, but they know they can impress most people with an appeal to their emotions rather than a logical position.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:14:14 PM
And as far as your anti-gun agenda, you want em'? In the words of my fore-fathers: COME AND GET THEM! Oh, I forgot, you're a liberal/TOO CHICKEN SHIT to stand up to anything!
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 8:11:42 PM
Hey, REDNECKS MUST GO, take your anti-American liberal fagget-ass agenda and go to another website that supports your bigotry. And if you think that all gun owners are ignorant or not high income earners, you are sadly mistaken facist.
Vendor
2/16/2008 8:11:01 PM
Eric Thompson - I work for a vendor of yours, and I'm just curious, why did you relocate from Arizona to of all places, Green Bay? I live in Green Bay myself, and have been considering leaving because many others allow CCW.
CowboyAmerican2
2/16/2008 8:05:49 PM
CowboyAmerican -
Unfortunately back in 1880 that wouldn't have happened because the psycho Idiot would know he'd be swiss cheese before he fired the first shot!
BanTheAmmo
2/16/2008 7:59:54 PM
I'm just waiting for the next "intelligent" argument from the liberals - "Put laws on the ammo companies so they can only sell ammo to LEOs". Or better yet, ban gunpowder manufacture, or better yet, end all mining and refining of copper and lead! That's a great solution!
When push comes to shove, and we have a localized riot against illegal aliens, or a revolution or even a civil war, who are the liberals going to hide behind? That's right! Gun owners!
CowboyAmerican
2/16/2008 7:58:55 PM
Here's a thought that's been posted already...WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF SOMEONE ELSE THERE (A CIVILIAN) HAD A GUN AND A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT???) So I pose this scenario...let's just imagine the year is 1880 and this IDIOT that just massacred innocent people had walked into any place of business in the "Wild West" acting like he was about to start shooting people. Let's just say he chose a bar (where guns are forbidden by law throughout the U.S. already...just like colleges). Who wants to make a bet he wouldn't have been swiss cheese before he got a shot off???? Anybody? Why? Because everyone else would have been armed. Why do these Socialist Libtard colleges prevent a bunch of educated people from legally carrying guns to defend themselves from people who don't have the same regard for the law???
Rob
2/16/2008 7:51:44 PM
Alot of discussion about a simple truth. Handguns with one true purpose, to kill. Any other reasoning is an excuse. Gun controls worked in Britian & Japan, they have fewer gun related deaths in the whole of their contries than we have new york annually. But then again who cares, we're cow-boy american's right?
CommonSense
2/16/2008 7:39:37 PM
"Message From: Meldremar on 2/16/2008 1:27:06 PM
I agree w/Eurolaws. Only police officers and law enforcement officers. No one else! It's out of control. Everything is. This is why the USA and the rest of the world is falling apart. Watch the 10 Commandments. While Moses was talking to God and God was giving him the 10 Commandments, the rest of the people were carrying on like hooligans! Until Moses came down from the mount w/the 10 Commandments in his arms. The right to bear arms didn't come from the Bible, it came from man, man who made a law. Guns are for protection, end of story."
Your last sentence is precisely why I have a concealed carry permit...so I can protect my family from "hooligans" who don't follow the 10 commandments.
Publius
2/16/2008 7:24:43 PM
The only way to stop tragedies like this is to get all the deranged/mentally ill people off the streets. But if the government fails to control the anti-social, average citizens need the ability to defend themselves. This is why we must push legislatures to allow canceled carry on campuses.
To all the anti-gun/“America sucks” crowd: Try reading the constitution sometime. You might learn something. An armed population is critical for the safety and liberty of our society. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right that will never be surrendered, so stop wasting your time on this issue.
dreamer
2/16/2008 7:07:20 PM
I really understand u D-GFZ,but cant compare a drunk driver with a kid with Kalashnikov!I suggest the videos:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=CbiKyxunVoc
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=gg6ApdCBYOk&NR=1
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=HgTJKxqSIk0&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=X962m0-9smQ&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxl3KS7-Daw&feature=related
it doesn't matter if you don't speak spanish. the images are enought.
Rednecks must go
2/16/2008 7:06:52 PM
Dave_The_Rave- Have fun at the 7-11, you redneck. I am a liberal gun hater and I am sure I work more hours and make A LOT more money than you do.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 7:06:31 PM
I have a job. I've been a mother for 22 years raising 2 children practically on my own, I own my own ebay store for 4 years now and teach kindergarten. So, Dave, what constitutes a real job in your book?
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 7:04:41 PM
Dreamer - I have yet another philsophical question to put things in perspective...Years ago, when Timothy McVeigh blew up a large section of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, did you send a note to Ryder Truck Rental telling the President of that company he had blood on his hands? Should we have banned truck rentals? I fully support a background check for firearms and don't disagree that nut jobs of any sort don't need to own one. But, removing the legal means of purchasing firearms and accessories for firearms won't make the problem magically vanish. And,finally, trying to blame an individual company is ludicrous - All of this In My Opinion.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 7:04:00 PM
Don what do the politicians know that I don't, about guns? I'm going to educate myself more on guns. It's sticky subject for me, but I need to do this for my children and myself. Thank you for responding in a pleasant way. I'm getting ready to watch the NBA all star games tonight. I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 7:01:59 PM
I have to bow out too. It was fun hearing from the pro-2A guys -- have a good one and watch your six!
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 6:58:26 PM
Well kids, it's been fun, but I have to go to work.
Because unlike most liberals and anti-gun people, I actually have a job.
America Sucks
2/16/2008 6:53:56 PM
Americans are loud, fat, gun-loving, SUV driving, selfish rednecks. They use up most of the world's resources and impose their ways on everyone. They had better turn things around. Their economy is tanking and their reputation around the world continues to fall. Just sit their burning all of the fossil fuels you can, stoking your guns, and praying to Jesus while countries like India and China buy up your failing banks and Japan pushes GM and Ford out of business. Their empire is falling apart. I only hope they use those guns to kill each other fighting over food during their soon-to-come economic depression.
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 6:49:55 PM
Dreamer, you're right and wrong. I totally respect the rights of persons who choose not to own a weapon. I take offense when those persons think they have the right to take mine away. As I said in an earlier post, my state has a loophole in the section of the law pertaining to concealed carry that allows the legislators to carry concealed while in office and for 4 years after exiting office. These are the same people detemining my right to carry. My problem with your statement is simply that Topglock had nothing to do with the shooting. Period. If your family was in a cab with a drunk cab driver and he had a wreck and killed a member of your family - would you be telling Chevrolet they "had blood on their hands" because they made the car?
Don
2/16/2008 6:43:39 PM
Dreamer stop being so overly dramatic. That is such a stupid statement.
dreamer
2/16/2008 6:41:13 PM
I dont have a gun and I respect your opinion D-GFZ. you dont respect the others and you have. this is our diference. get a life!!!and please dont kill anybody!!
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 6:39:22 PM
While the research is going on I would like to recommend the writings of John Conner, Massad Ayoob, Clint Smith and the late Jeff Cooper. Find the writings John Conner did in regards to the VT shooting. I'm done - adios to all you in the DrewCrew - been great hearing what you all had to say.
Don
2/16/2008 6:37:18 PM
The Koreans, who were actively defending their property didnt have any problems either during the RK riots!
Justin
2/16/2008 6:36:25 PM
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gottasaysomething
2/16/2008 6:35:07 PM
Look friends, these killings are a problem. Mentally imbalanced people are getting guns too easily and there is not enough monitoring of those who have had violent episodes in their past. We can find ways to reduce these needless tragedies; these are young people for god's sake.
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 6:31:12 PM
Hey, Dreamy - Did Eric get blood on his hands from the holster he sold or the magazine? Be specific if you're gonna' get involved in this discussion you lib'ral faggot.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 6:27:46 PM
To follow up on the last few posts, I'd recommend John Stossel's report on the myth that gun control reduces crime. He has a gang of incarcerated felons on tape admitting that they're worried about running into legally armed citizens, and that government gun control doesn't faze them (shocking, I know). It can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
dreamer
2/16/2008 6:25:42 PM
be careful when u hug your kids Mr. Eric Thompson...you have blood in your hands.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 6:21:44 PM
Oh God, LyndaUK and the sophisticated sheep of Britain are here.You gave up your guns without a fight, and now you will have sharia law in a few years and no way to stop it, good move!
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 6:17:52 PM
That's a pretty good point, Mr 762. Sociologists have interviewed violent offenders and it has been shown a perp is less likely to act if he/she believes a person in the vicinity may be armed. If common knowledge of your weaponry gives you a more secure neighborhood then more power to you. I personally own 4 Glocks which are stragegically positioned throughout my home but my belief is the fewer people that know, the better.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 6:17:44 PM
I'm with you 762REASONS! Me and my neighborhood are STRAPPED TO THE HILT! We NEVER have crime problems in our area, EVER. Kind of funny, bad guys prefer unarmed victims. WAKE UP LIBERALS!
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 6:16:32 PM
Melodrama is still here talking about banning guns?
Gee, she sure loves attention.
762Reasons
2/16/2008 6:05:44 PM
Ok. I love to read anti-gun people talking about guns when in reality they have no clue, and I am not just talking about guns. Personally I own 3 7.62 (54, 51 and 39), several shotguns and yes, a glock 17c. Just to let you know I haven't killed anyone. So that you know all my neighbors know me and know that I am a gun enthusiast, that knowledge has led to zero drugdealers near my home, zero burglaries, zero rapes, zero everything. I love it! My neighborhood is a very safe neighborhood indeed.
Don
2/16/2008 5:59:59 PM
Another well put statement Dr Wolf. What if he had decided to make a suicide vest with pipe bombs, which are easily made with info on the net? Many many more ppl would have been injured/killed. Again, it's the ppl not the tool. Respect, personal responsibility, and common sense are things we have almost lost in this country.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:55:37 PM
You are right BRASIL, tell these idiot liberals here how "great" all the gun laws you have over in Brazil are. Your country, unfortunately, has been hit hard by such "gun control" non-sense. Take it easy man........
MGE
2/16/2008 5:55:14 PM
society needs to fix its problems not take anything away from me...
MOLON LABE
Dr. W. Wolf family
2/16/2008 5:53:48 PM
... Sincere condolences to all that lost loved ones in this tragedy. Times like these are so difficult by families impacted by the insanity. It is so hard to understand why a human snaps and decides to murder innocent people. The notion is just so hugely foreign to the majority.
Our family is neither pro nor anti gun. We are truly neutral. However, we do understand that is wasn't the shotgun that killed the students, it was a cold-blooded murder. He would have used a Buick, bat or a tank of propane if he could not have used a gun – he went insane. Lastly, it a fundamental right protected by the United States Constitution, to keep and bear arms. Whether or not we "wish" to ban guns is a moot point. What is more important is to treat people with love, care and respect – it just may be enough to prevent another murder.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:52:31 PM
F AROCK, we are not allowing queers like you in here. Please leave.
Anonymous
2/16/2008 5:52:25 PM
Epic
brasil
2/16/2008 5:51:39 PM
armas não matam pessoas. pessoas matam pessoas
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:49:44 PM
GRIMM--As far as mentioning fear, many liberals do fear guns as the only source they have of what guns are is the media and Hollywood; as if violence is the only thing guns create. They usually have no experience with firearms and have very strong opinions on something they litlerally know nothing about. People usually make fun of, oppose and fear things they know nothing about.
D-GFZ?
2/16/2008 5:48:13 PM
Okay, Mel, I changed my code name. Now will you answer the question? Are you scared the Drew Crew will make fun of your answer? By the way, like Mr. L.M.Texan, I too thought you said earlier your husband had the gun on him but couln't get to it fast enough. This ain't like the year model on that 'vette is it?
Don
2/16/2008 5:46:27 PM
Meldremar Educate yourself, and away from the anti gun crowd that have absolutely ZERO common sense. A gun is just a tool, any tool can be used or abused. Yes, guns are made for protection, now and in the past to defend you, your family, your country....as well as for recreation.
Politicians use this to play us against one another, and for their own political gain. They know the truth, and it's not in the anti gun crowds favor.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:43:59 PM
GRIMM, you obviously are a liberal fagget. Yes many people get to where they are trying to go evey day in cars, but GUESS WHAT DUMB ASS!? 200 *MILLION* GUNS DON'T GET USED FOR CRIMES EVERYDAY!!!
F AROCK
2/16/2008 5:43:56 PM
ban guns for the children
Anonymous
2/16/2008 5:43:34 PM
LONGCAT IS LONG! EPIC FAIL! EPIC WIN! GB2/B/!!!!! PROTEST BY USING PHRASES THAT OTHER INTERNET PEOPLE THINK ARE FUNNY! POOL'S CLOSED!
Details
2/16/2008 5:42:49 PM
HEY, folks! The details are finally starting to come out. Looks like this guy WAS a mental basket case, not just some straight A student infected by the evil gun (gasp!). Just like Cho we seem to have another charming failure of the mental healthcare system and medication-happy doctors. When do we get to start blaming big Pharma?? Come on, gun-haters, let's have some vitriol their way, no?!
Answer to Grimm
2/16/2008 5:42:15 PM
Good point! Did you know that over 30 million gun owners killed no one last night?
spark
2/16/2008 5:42:03 PM
"Last I checked there isn't a war going on here in the states except for the war on guns."
What about the war on drugs, and gang warfare?
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:40:36 PM
Meldremar - are you saying that when your husband was shot, his gun was on his person but was locked up in his safe? And are you conceding that guns should be permitted for use in self-defense? I'm not Drew but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. Hang in there GFZ?
Grimm
2/16/2008 5:38:01 PM
@Drew Hill
No Drew it's not about lives nor is it about fear (don't know where you got that from) it about LOGIC. As a logic equation the comparisons spewed here about cars/drunk driving vs guns does not work. Drunk driving may kill more people in the US then guns do, so what? Did you know that more people in the US get from place to place in a car then they do in gun! Thats right! More people get safely from place to place everyday in a car then all the people ever killed in drunk driving accidents!-- Continue to spew apples vs oranges all you want it doesnt change the fact that a guns only purpose is to kill. Hell, I'm not even against guns I am just opposed to 3rd grade logic. And I dont think all you 3rd graders should have guns... -out of here
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:35:54 PM
Thanks Don. You're right. What do you think a person should do to help themselves get over the use of a gun that was used for the wrong reasons? Guns were meant to protect others. Not to deliberately hurt others. Even tho my deceased husband owned a gun, had it in the safe, it still was uncomfortable for me. But, now, today, I wish he had had the gun on him for his protection.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 5:32:02 PM
Well, heck! Not only will Meldremar not answer my question, I didn't even make Drew's Buddy List! I'm just gonna' open a beer and go watch the liberals on CNN make up stuff about us Gun Nuts.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:30:26 PM
GFZ--WROTE THIS BACK AT 2:56.....MELDEMAR, PLEASE RESPOND.
Meldramar - No doubt guns are dangerous and not for everyone. Heck, my Glock 23 was originally owned by a dude that accidentally shot himself with it and sold it soon after that incident. But, my question is still the same - if a couple of lunatics followed your 19 year old daughter home and forcibly invaded through your front door what would you do? Crouching Tiger Karate Move not effective against his gun... I pose the question because it happened not so long ago to that Doctor and his family. There's not always time to call 911 for the "well trained police" who are going to set up a perimeter around your house and deal with the problem from the outside. I sincerely want to know what the anti-gun folks think about it. Will you negotiate your family to safety - talk the bad guy out of raping your daughter? Hope for the best? Assume it'll never happen to me?
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:29:19 PM
I've been talking about guns. Guns don't kill people, people kill. But people change the subject on me. I can't help that. Maybe I should just ignore everyone then and keep my opinions to myself. I thought this was a free country w/free speech. My bad.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:27:25 PM
DUDE, Can you elaborate on your statement? If it turns oput to be liberal, I of course need to attack you with my pals Dave, LM Texan and Don.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 5:27:16 PM
Drew - Dude, I hate to impose but I asked Mel a question way back at 2:56 about a situational response and she won't answer me. Can you scroll back down and ask her the exact same question - bet she'll answer you!
dude
2/16/2008 5:25:57 PM
topglock = population control
Don
2/16/2008 5:24:43 PM
Giving intelligent, informed answers helps more than attacks, and name calling. That automatically puts ppl on the defensive.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:23:54 PM
Loudmouth, My son is on his date. My nephew is in Iraq, called "enemy territory" where there is a war going on. Last I checked there isn't a war going on here in the states except for the war on guns. There is good and there is bad when it comes to guns. It's the person behind the guns, too. I'm learning this as I come out of my shell. Have you ever been w/in close range and seen your spouse, child, get blown away? I have.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:23:36 PM
SHE ADMITS IT'S THE CRIMINALS!!!! OH MY GOD! WHAT PROFOUND UNDERSTANDING!!
DREW HILL
2/16/2008 5:21:24 PM
****LADIES AND GENTLEMEN**** ****STOP THE PRESSES!!**** WE HAVE A VERY HONORABLE THING THAT HAS OCCURRED TODAY! AN EMOTION DRIVEN LIBERAL (Meldremar) HAS BEEN CONVERTED!MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!!
Anonymous
2/16/2008 5:20:44 PM
Meldremar, Meldremar - Mr. L.M.Texan is right - are you only here to communicate with Drew, Dave & Don? If I change my name to something that begins with D will you answer my question? The question I posed directly to you was out there at 2:56 and you still have not replied.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:20:08 PM
Apparently, to get anything out of Meldremar you have to be Drew or you have to call her fat. Or point out her bizarre fascination with all things Drew. She won't address any gun questions addressed to her.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:18:50 PM
Hey, Drew! No, this blog hasn't ruined my day, just given me a headache, lol! You did however read my mind about the sticks and stones. You're right. Did you read my responses to Don. I've been paranoid w/guns for years. Fearing the worst w/having children. But I need to get a grip and realize that guns can be of help. It's really the person behind the weapon that gives the gun a bad name.
DREW HILL
2/16/2008 5:17:32 PM
I don't know about you guys, BUT I LOVE MY GUNS!!!!!! :)
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:17:07 PM
Meldremar: your son is enemy territory, but the students at Virginia Tech and NIU aren't? What a myopic world you have.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:14:09 PM
Don, I agree. Sometimes the fear in me comes out from time to time of what I lived, watching my husband get shot. It's not pleasant. I became intombed and paranoid w/guns. They have frightened me for years and bring back horrific memories. I r'cvd a photo of my 26 yr. old nephew w/an assult weapon in Iraq and it made me cringe. But on the other hand, he's in enemy territory and needs to protect himself.
Stuck in Socialist Kalifornia
2/16/2008 5:13:45 PM
Why are we not talking about banning car after 8 people were killed in an illegal drag race in MD.? Owning a car isn't a constitutional right.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:13:38 PM
Meldremar: can we assume you're leaving (again)? Questions have been asked of you, points have been made, and you've yet to do anything but complain that you're being picked on. Oh well, another anti bites the dust.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:11:47 PM
Meldremar, CHILL WOMAN, sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you unless u let them. Remember, we are just a bunch of stupid renecks who love guns. What do we know!? LOL!!! Damn you'd think this blog ruined your day.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 5:09:20 PM
There is no sense to it. Making a college or high school campus a Gun Free Zone is just as effective as putting up a sign that also makes it a Tornado Free Zone, Fire Free Zone, or Flood Free Zone. Wouldn't it be simpler to put up a billboard on the outskirts of town that declared the entire town to be a Danger Free Zone? That way, everything is covered at once. Like it or not, one CCW permit holder at any recent shooting could have possibly dramatically changed the outcome. Meldramar - I asked you at 2:56 - where is your response?
Meldremar
2/16/2008 5:08:27 PM
You know what? Again, again, and again! I'm sick and tired of being attacked, when I didn't start it. I came on here to talk about the gun issue. Then I was personally attacked by others, referring to me as a fat heffer, name calling, yelling, swearing, etc. I'm done. This isn't worth the headache much less anything else for that matter. Wow, and I thought there were going to be real human beings out there. I guess not. Attacking others, judging them without knowing them, what a loss.
JEH from MS
2/16/2008 5:07:59 PM
Hang in there Eric and Co.
Nothing I post will change the liberal mindset,so I won't try....with the way things are going,the folks who are slamming you had better hope that they don't experience violent crime anytime soon.However,I wouldn't bet on it.The trend is clear.Don't expect the Police or security forces to be there.They are spread too thin.
Don
2/16/2008 5:07:51 PM
Meldremar, Many people are assaulted and killed with knives everyday! Knives are WAY more accessible than guns. Stopping the manufacture of guns is not realistic and would not change human nature. I've owned guns for over 20 years and yet somehow I have managed to not go on a rampage. I enjoy going out every now and then to target shoot, and yes with my evil black assault "STYLE" weapons. Do not punish millions of law abiding citizens for the actions of a few.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:07:44 PM
We share thousands of miles of border with a third-world country called Mexico. Last I checked, marijuana and meth were illegal, yet they're flying across the border into the United States. Even if you stopped selling guns today, you'd never be able to overcome the existing guns and you'd never eliminate them from the streets. Even if you could, Mexico will be there to serve as our source for all things illegal. If you want to show us how committed you are to your cause, take a midnight stroll through the worst parts of Washington DC. Put it up on Youtube if you manage to make it through in piece, without being raped, robbed, beaten, or murdered. Guns are banned there, yet it's one of THE most violent and dangerous cities on earth. Prohibition doesn't work with anything - if you had any knowledge of history you'd know that.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 5:07:05 PM
Brown Doe, WHY DON'T WE OUTLAW ALCOHOL? A person can make decisions (drink and drive) and he then ends up killing nultiple innocents. How is this different than a gun crime? Alcohol ruins and kills more lives and families than guns ever will in crimes. IT'S A FALSE FEAR AND SOCIAL BIGOTRY; plain and simple.
Glenham
2/16/2008 5:05:16 PM
As always everyone has an idea or comment about what is right or wrong. I wonder..... Bin Laden killed 3000 people and then some... he used our own Jetliners to do it...so I guess we will take Jet liners away from people too ! Nobody to this day understands or wants to admit that People Kill People...
Not guns ..Not planes..Not sticks...Not Baseball Bats...Not Hammers... You all know this... These Items are all inert things until someone picks them up with the intent ot do harm.... So take them all away...then they will use their bare hands...what are you going to take away then...People's arms at birth.... There are NO right or Wrong answers here...
These website's are here and provide products and services to customers...when your well known and trusted... sooner or later bad apples are going to purchase from you... Making you look bad... Great websites keep up the good work...
GFZ?
2/16/2008 5:04:25 PM
Don has a great point! And one that can be used to get back on an original topic - Many, many people posted on this site blaming TopGlock for their "role" in this shooting. If a college daughter was to call home and say she was pregnant, would these same people contact Trojan, K-Y, or Budweiser to complain about the role their "accessories" played? Probably not.
browndoe
2/16/2008 5:02:07 PM
I see so much ideological thinking here in this blog on both sides, interspersed with low brow insults and mud slinging. Where is the pragmatism and common sense that are supposed to be the mainstays of American character? God help us all. Have your guns, but they shouldn't be easy to get. Keep abortion legal, they shouldn't be easy to get either. An ill young man got guns and slaughtered innocent people. How do we look at mental health issues? How do we look at gun ownership? We are just not really using common sense as a people because we hide behind our rights and avoid our responsbilities, to each other, to ourselves. Get a grip and think from the other side's point of view. This isn't liberal or conservative, this is cultural and political. And people are dying.
Loudmouthed Texan
2/16/2008 5:01:37 PM
Meldremar: your husband was killed by a 22 year-old with a gun? Do you really think any of the pro-gun posters here support murder? It's unfortunate that your husband was unable to defend himself, but you're talking about one murder in thousands. The fact that he was unable to protect himself certainly doesn't mean that no one who's victimized will successfully use a gun to defend themselves. What, exactly are you proposing that we do? Guns are here to stay, so removing them, even if the law-abiding gun owners went along with it, isn't an option. Would you prefer that only criminals be allowed to carry? Currently, criminals are the only ones carrying on college campuses, and I think we all have to admit banning guns on campus has made anyone safer. If you want to talk about this, talk - or continue yammering on about BMI and obesity. Your choice.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 4:58:05 PM
Good point, Don. I don't know how I would react if it had been a butcher knife that killed my husband. We use knives for food, not killing people. It's the person behind the weapon. Yet, stopping the manufacturing of guns would eliminate a lot of our problems. Unless, someone can come up w/a better idea of gun control.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 4:54:17 PM
SDSS - Yeah - don't know much about guns, 'eh. The purpose of CCW for self-defense is about the ability to respond to a violent attack. As far as the Secret Service preventing attacks, I think the number of people they protect compared to the number of attacks on those people kinda' speaks for itself. The general public would kinda' frown on the Secret Service or a CCW permit holder shooting someone in a Pre-emptive Strike. Pre-emptive strikes are a thing of the past...
Don
2/16/2008 4:50:34 PM
Meldremar, what if he had been killed with a butcher knife...would you be upset at knife manufacturers, and everyone that uses a butcher knife?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 4:49:20 PM
Interesting history of liberal thinking:
Gun act of 1968. Enacted because of the recent shootins against JFK, MLK and the massacare on the University of Texas Campus. Interesting though as it made severe restrictions on automatic weapons when NONE OF THESE CRIMES INVOLVED AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON as the main killing tool. Only Whitman in Austin had a .30 carbine, but it was not the one that killed many as it is a low power and short range weapon. THEY ALL USED BOLT ACTION, COMMONLY ACCEPTED "DEER RIFLES". Interesting.......
When President Reagan was shot, Hinckley used a **.22 REVOLVER** and shot Brady in the head as well. What does Brady end up doing? He ends up pushing for the biggest, stupidest gun act in history, the Crime Bill of 1994. He put restrictions on the AESTHETIC FEATURES of automatic rifles. THEY STILL SHOT THE SAME RATE AND WITH THE SAME AMMO. Really did reduce the number of .22 revolver shootings though!
Meldremar
2/16/2008 4:47:46 PM
GFZ, I was being attacked. I was being called a fat heffer. I was merely standing up for myself. I would love to discuss the gun matter, and get off the personal stuff. I agree with you, entirely.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 4:44:20 PM
Sorry, Mr. Admin. I meant to say I agree with Super Drew and his points and that he was the one getting hit on. Not that I don't agree with Dave as well, though. I suppose I'm just being petty 'cause I'm not getting any attention when I ask specific people specific questions and they ignore them to discuss weight and BFI.
SelfDefenseSuccessStories
2/16/2008 4:44:12 PM
If 'self-defense' as a rationale for gun ownership is valid at all, then the best-trained, best-drilled and most practiced defense force on US soil, the Secret Service, would be able to point to successful cases where their agents were able to prevent gun attacks against their protectees at least once during their two-decade history.
Well?...I'm waiting...
Don
2/16/2008 4:43:48 PM
Lynda...I quite frequently look at news papers from all over, and I was reading a UK paper and it was FULL of slashings, stabbings, assaults, assaults on unarmed police, murders, and yes SHOOTINGS. All of your laws and cameras haven't helped you at all. You also cannot compare the U.S. and UK. UK 50 million, US 300 million. We also have problems with drugs that you dont nearly have. Illegal aliens swarming over our borders..many committing crimes here. This country was also founded and developed with the firearm behind it. Solve the drug alcohol problem and gun violence and violence in general will drop 90%. The gun is NOT the problem.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 4:42:22 PM
Would people stop saying I'm hitting on Dave or Drew! This is not the case. I'm simply talking about guns and the subject was diverted by others by attacking me, calling me names, swearing, yelling, etc. I'm married. I love my husband who is serving in Kuwait and as of Jan. 29th, he's missing. My previous husband was murdered w/a gun by a 22 yr. old man. I'm on here to talk about gun issues, not personal stuff. I did, however, felt the need to stand up for myself, and not hide.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 4:42:17 PM
So GRIMM, if it's not about lives (as drunk driving kills way more) then you say it's about fear then? Great logic there pal.
DREW HILL
2/16/2008 4:40:47 PM
Get it right GFZ, she's hitting on ME, not Dave!
GFZ?
2/16/2008 4:38:06 PM
Got to agree with super Dave, Mr. Admin. I too have bought product from you including a purchase I made today just to be supportive! (I really hope the SS guide rod isn't a snake oil item) So, what about those 1A rights? Dave's got a lot to say that makes a lot of sense and, he's managing to get it out while Meldremar hits on him in a roundabout fashion.
Retired Military
2/16/2008 4:36:18 PM
Good job for helping out by checking your records and contacting ATF, might help paint the picture in the investigation. Keep up the good work, we need your services to protect ourselves and loved ones from the nuts and criminals. We really need enforcement of the pysc reporting to keep the nuts from getting firearms, I know this is touchy, but that would at least stop some of them from getting the weapons legally and may have prevented some of these campus shootings.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 4:35:22 PM
Drew and Dave, I put in my weight 114. The results below. I got this from MSN health and fitness
Weight Loss: BMI Calculator
bmi results
Your BMI is 16.4
BMI
Weight Range
Weight Status
18.4 and Below 128.3 lbs and Below Underweight;
18.5 - 24.9 128.9 - 173.6 lbs Normal;
25.0 - 29.9 174.3 - 208.4 lbs Overweight;
30.0 - 34.9 209.1 - 243.3 lbs Obese (moderate);
35.0 - 39.9 244.0 - 278.1 lbs Obese (severe);
40.0 and Above 278.8 lbs and Above Obese (very severe):
BMI is an estimate of body fat and health risks. A BMI below 18.5 indicates that you are underweight.To better understand your health risks for certain conditions enter your waist size and sex.
Grimm
2/16/2008 4:23:46 PM
@Robert
Please enroll in a logical thinking and reasoning class quickly!
Your apple to oranges comparison is pathetic at best.
The purpose of a car is to TRANSPORT people and things from place to place. When tragedy occurs and someone dies its called an ACCIDENT. The purpose of a gun is to KILL. When someone dies from the use of a gun it's called KILLED/MURDERED/SLAIN. There is no comparison of death rates that one can draw from comparing the two. It's all about purpose/intent. When you fire a gun at a person the intent is to kill. When you drive to the store you don't intend to get into an accident.
Roy
2/16/2008 4:19:12 PM
Brussels, PLEASE show me the history book that references Germany bombing Pearl harbor. I could have sworn it was Japan.
Oh...wait...it WAS Japan.
Moron.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 4:13:18 PM
Also, LYNDA WILSON, by your own admission, gun control over there doesn't work. It is the decline of the American people's morals and values and their desire to self-control that are to blmae, not guns. Automatic weapons have been around since the 1880's and school shootings have not. So now, since the social bigots say so, we have to cower to this anti-gun sh*t!?
Do some research!
2/16/2008 4:12:50 PM
Lynda - look at some facts once. "Yes, we have crime still on our streets, but nowhere near the absolutely abhorrent levels that the USA has." I think not! Look at Austrailia - as soon as they outlawed guns, crime went up six-fold. Do a search on Wikipedia regarding gun laws, and you will see some statistics that will probably impress you.
Gunner's Mate 2nd Class
2/16/2008 4:11:46 PM
I love you impotent liberal sheeple. Scapgoating is a mainstay of the liberal, fascist mentality that ignores the factual reason for anything. Liberals are fascist that utilize an elitist ideology for government controlling our lives. Government cannot protect you no matter how much you FEEL they should.
How would you liberal, hippies like it if they took away your pot, overtly sexual gay pride parades, and seditious speech?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 4:10:13 PM
LYNDA WILSON, Remember, it is us gun-toting idiots over here that helped you not lose your ass in the 40's. Whether you agree with a point of view or not, you should always stand up for a person who is having their rights stomped on; even if those rights matter little to you.
Lynda Wilson, UK
2/16/2008 4:04:39 PM
I just thank the Lord for our stringent gun laws here in the UK. None of this "right to bear arms" legislature. Yes, we have crime still on our streets, but nowhere near the absolutely abhorrent levels that the USA has.
I respect individuals' rights as a nation to choose to have their gun toting idealisms, but it does not mean to say that I agree. I just don't agree, end of.
Drew Hill [again :)]
2/16/2008 4:00:01 PM
THIS SAYS IT ALL!-----------> "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our street will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -----ADOLF HITLER 1935
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 3:59:12 PM
Admin, come on man. I've bought 1000's of $ off your website. I'm a huge suppporter of the 2nd amendment. What about the 1st?
Scandal
2/16/2008 3:58:38 PM
That dave is a whacky guy, but you have to admire his passion.
Admin
2/16/2008 3:54:43 PM
This does post all entries, but I am editing off subject entries and entries for profanity. Please keep to the subject, eliminate profanity and stop with the name calling. We appreciate your help in this matter.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 3:54:35 PM
I noticed that too.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 3:48:44 PM
This blog doesn't post all postings? Weird.........They seem to appear but then come off when you re-load the page.
Clean
2/16/2008 3:47:05 PM
I think it's funny that "Gun Free Zones" are the places these murderers go to kill people. Taking away the right of good people to defend themselves leads to violence. It's also worth noting that cities and states where anti-gun laws are at their peak, that these crimes occur the most. Common sense doesn't seem to be the pinnacle of thought processes nowadays, so keep your head in the sand you libtard anti-gunners. There are sure a lot of stupid people on here.
Cole
2/16/2008 3:40:18 PM
People People People...
Just ignor the ANTI Gun folks, They can whine, complain, whatever all they want and pass the blame all day long...
Who cares if they hate our hobby, our sport, our profession or whatever else...
Let them try and ban guns from us law abiding citizens.. they will fail,
The foundation of this Republic respects the rights of the individual, not the power of an overbearing or oppressive government, and most certainly not the opinions of any majority who tries to limit the rights of the few, They have no such power over us free men...
But should they try it still does not change the fact that they have to come to our doors and take them. let them try...
The Second Amendment was established to protect mans born right to protect himself and his liberty from anyone who attempts to tread on his rights including the Government
and including YOU.
Simply put, who are you to tell me what I can and cannot own?
No one.
I guess Pepper Spray
2/16/2008 3:28:43 PM
and whistle would've been appropriate for this woman, who called 911 only to find that the police couldn't reach her in time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS8mdbml0A
A gun saved her life.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 3:25:47 PM
THIS SAYS IT ALL!----------->
"This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our street will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
-----ADOLF HITLER 1935
RJ Herle, CEO Elite Ammunition
2/16/2008 3:13:17 PM
There is one fact that remains. Unarmed people are targets whereas armed people are adversaries.
I'm proud of the industry I work in; that the ammunition I produce is used to protect the lives of the innocent and to take the lives of the predator.
Instead of blaming the evil gun; you should instead blame the evil heart. The bullet does the damage, but its the evil heart that sends it on its way.
Contitional Rights
2/16/2008 3:10:51 PM
nay be wrong but thought Japanese bomebed Pearl Harbor. Germans got Butt kicked by gun carry Americans and their "fearless leader' killed himself like a coward in a bunker.
JasonS
2/16/2008 3:09:10 PM
Brussels- funny if meant as a Animal House reference - incredibly stupid and ignorant if not.
Brussels on 2/16/2008 3:02:50 PM
Did your precious guns save you when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Huh, redneck?
Meldremar
2/16/2008 3:07:40 PM
Hey, Drew! I needed to vent. It's been intense here the last couple of weeks. I needed someone I could talk too. Maybe it's your name. I find you to be a good guy, so I just started talking. It's been quite lonely and need someone to be there beside my children. sorry, if I imposed. I gotta go for now.
Don
2/16/2008 3:07:27 PM
Brussels is probably 16, so no more wasting my time with an immature kid
GFZ?
2/16/2008 3:06:52 PM
Gun Free Zones don't work. Gun Toting Citizens does work. Get on google and type in Victim defended himself with a gun and see how many RECENT events pop up to pick from. How many people did the off-duty cop in the 1st mall shooting save by pinning that shooter down until SWAT arrived? How many CCW permit holders left their gun in the car that same day? That off-duty cop had a Kimber with 8 rounds and no spares - said he wouldn't make that mistake again - now he carries spares.
Anonymous
2/16/2008 3:06:45 PM
no spin: I have my HK to protect me from the boogy man. I just need my fellow gun owners to realize that "deer rifles" kill the same as any other gun.
I can defend my self with any gun, but im not giving any of them up
DON
2/16/2008 3:05:08 PM
Brussels youre speaking French now right? Not German. Thank America dumb ass
redneck
2/16/2008 3:04:36 PM
Brussels: NO THEY DIDN'T. But they are going to save me when some dumb ass tries to take my life in some random situation.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 3:03:58 PM
No Spin,
You are the enemy within. You value your hunting rifle, and are willing to throw all other gun owners under the bus to keep it. So all the high-power shooters, and tactical rifle match shooters(like myself) that use "scary assault weapons" (An AR15 by definition is not an assault weapon, btw....do some research) can just suck it as long as your Fudd gun can stay with you. You need to unfuck yourself and understand that the 2nd amendment doesn't say shit about hunting. By the way, once the "assault weapons" are gone, they are coming for your "high powered,scope-equipped sniper rifle" too.Ted Kennedy already tried to get .30-30 ammunition banned, so how does the future look for your .30-06?
Meldremar
2/16/2008 3:03:43 PM
Drew, My husband is a liberial. He doesn't like politics. He graduated from Dartmouth, married after 7 days, then went into the Navy. So did his now ex-wife. I'm actually a republican. But my visions have changed. I'ld prefer someone who can get the job done, rather than relying on a name, democrat or republican. The vette thing, I don't remember which year, 62 or 64. I just remember being told by someone else it was a 64. I may be wrong. I'm not dried up. I still enjoy water skiing, jet skiing, camping, traveling, volunteering at our local soup kitchen a couple times a month. I'm actually quite good looking. I gotta go. I'm fixing dinner for my children.
No Spin
2/16/2008 3:03:39 PM
Judge, Jury, and Executioner -How convienient
miltia in montana you seem pretty scared that the boogy man is coming to get you, maybe a night light would suit you better
Brussels
2/16/2008 3:02:50 PM
Did your precious guns save you when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Huh, redneck?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:59:44 PM
Meldramar, I thought you were leaving?
miltia in montana
2/16/2008 2:59:04 PM
NO SPIN- you're as bad as any other gun grabber liberal. The 2A isn't about 30 round mags or anything else, its about having the right to have firearms. not for hunting, not for anything else. you either agree with the 2A or you do not. its as simple as that. you don't agree with it. I am going to keep my guns with 30 round mags to protect myself. not to shoot a deer. to shoot a human. im going to keep my hi cap stuff because when the time comes, i will have to defend you when all you have is your .270 deer rifle.
ContitutionalRights
2/16/2008 2:58:20 PM
Taking guns out of the hands of citizens was one of the first moves Adolph Hilter made. Thankfully our Founding Fathers were smarter than these touchy feely gun control advocates.Instead of putting these people in a mental institution like used to be done now they want to let them out and put them on meds. (like they are dependable enough to take them unsupervized) And then try to take away our rights when somebody goes off the deep end. If the eurolaws are so good why did they have all the rioting nad car burning in France not to long ago? Let them try that in a neighborhood of carry permit holders. If these people don'[t like our country and our laws they are free to leave any time. There are plenty of fasist countries our there that would fit the bill for them but they need toquit trying to change our way of life and enjoy the freedoms of this country or get out.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:57:56 PM
Liberals and Religous Extremists; two things that the world could do without.
European
2/16/2008 2:57:03 PM
J.C. Garand: your logic is twisted. It is irrelevant in the context to compare how many deaths are due to that and that. It is relevant to notice that there could have been a smaller number of deaths due to rampage killings had it been less easy for some mad teenager to get ahold of a gun. You mix apples with bears and try to say that it is excusable that bears can be aggressive since a lot of apples get rotten.
Europe full of slaves
2/16/2008 2:56:45 PM
LOL! Europe is so much more sophisticated than the U.S.
Muslims burn cars every night in France, and the police are too scared and under equipped to do anything about it.
But they are the envy of all the world!
Europeans banned god.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 2:56:40 PM
Meldramar - No doubt guns are dangerous and not for everyone. Heck, my Glock 23 was originally owned by a dude that accidentally shot himself with it and sold it soon after that incident. But, my question is still the same - if a couple of lunatics followed your 19 year old daughter home and forcibly invaded through your front door what would you do? Crouching Tiger Karate Move not effective against his gun... I pose the question because it happened not so long ago to that Doctor and his family. There's not always time to call 911 for the "well trained police" who are going to set up a perimeter around your house and deal with the problem from the outside. I sincerely want to know what the anti-gun folks think about it. Will you negotiate your family to safety - talk the bad guy out of raping your daughter? Hope for the best? Assume it'll never happen to me?
Meldremar
2/16/2008 2:55:46 PM
None of you know me. What gives you the right to judge me? It was a black '64 vette. The money was what my husband and I made thru our company. We owned a manufacturing home company. We built it together from the time we met in 1977. We started w/very little, came from middle class homes. I'm one of 12 children. I sing in the choir, I teach kindergarten now since my husbands passing and to keep busy while my present husband is in Kuwait. But now he's missing. I'm dealing w/this now and don't really have the time to deal w/ignorance. I love life and people in general, no matter how mean they can get towards others. If you ever need help and you need to go thru the White House, 202-456-1111, fax 202-456-2461, let them know why you are calling. If they want you to fax the info over, make sure you put to the ATTN.: Agency Liaison.
DREW HILL
2/16/2008 2:55:00 PM
"SHOOTER ND"----AMEN BROTHER, YOU ARE A REAL AMERICAN!
No Spin
2/16/2008 2:54:32 PM
Let me start off by saying that I support the second ammendment within reason. With that said there are some guns and gun products that should not be available to the public because they are of no legimitie purpose other than violence, such as a 31 round hand gun clip, or assult rifles. I think some gun owners would agree that a large capacity clip is unnecesary and really only serves a purpose for violence. As a deer hunter myself if I can't hit a deer with the standard capacity of my hunting rifle, having an extra capacity magazine isn't going to help you. To those who feel that if only students were allowed to carry guns with them that this could have been avoided I ask this question? Would it be possible for a student who wanted to go to a class room and carry out a mass shooting to get a concealed weapon permit? So what is there to gain my allowing students to arm themsleves, other than to allow another wacko more easy access into a class room.
Don
2/16/2008 2:53:44 PM
Well said ShooterND...Europe..I personally don't care about what other countries think of the U.S. Just as I don't care what individuals think about me. As a side note Europe wouldnt even exist as it is today without us "gun loving" Americans!!!
Europe sucks
2/16/2008 2:50:40 PM
European: GO AWAY. I KNOW ITS TOUGH BEING JEALOUS OF THE GREATEST COUNTRY THIS EARTH HAS EVER SEEN. IM SORRY YOU LIVE IN DONK LAND. PLEASE SEND MY REGARDS TO THE CRIMINALS IN YOUR LAND, THEY ARE MUCH MORE FREE THAN YOU ARE.
ShooterND
2/16/2008 2:49:21 PM
This incident and the related attacks on this site, and others highlights the greatest problem facing American society today.
That problem is one of personal responsibility. Selling this man ammo magazines and a holster did not make him commit his horrific acts just as serving hot coffee did not make the elderly consumer burn herself.
The fact is people in today's society operate from a victims viewpoint with no accountability. It is a sad state and one that will lead to further incidents and the related trash lawsuits that plague this nation - and related draconian gun legislation.
It is a sad day when Americans are killed for nothing, it is a sadder day when we have to blame everyone else for those actions. It tells alot about the sickened mentality that is pervasive.
That said grow up people, raise your children right, be accountable and teach them to be accountable. That used to be a given in our society...it seems in short supply these days.
European
2/16/2008 2:48:34 PM
GunsSaveLives: As evident in my initial message, I knew that the typical American defense would kick in: you just bury the idea in your subconsciousness and than wonder how come you are regarded with dismay in countries that currently don’t owe you anything financially and have no reason to envy and loath you. Try to understand that when I tell you that the way you are regarded in the rest of the world should matter to you it is not an attack; I actually care about US and my point is a VERY serious “wake up, man!” call. Because an imbecile policy, the image of your country was almost irrecoverably turned from that of a benign model into a bully: try to understand that this should matter to every American.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 2:47:20 PM
Maladroit, or whatever your name is,
Does NASA have to reposition a photo satellite to get a good shot of your tookus?.
And if hubby is a sniper, why is he in Kuwait? I thought the war was in Iraq. And 5 years? I thought the standard tour was 12-18 months.
Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:47:12 PM
LOL!!! This is the most fun liberal bash I've had in a while! The 62/64 vet question ran through my mind too! Oh yeah, Meldramar, if you would like to see my 1099s and my wife and I's picture, just send me your email. I don't play. And 7 is kind of thick by the way.
Ordinary Joe
2/16/2008 2:44:19 PM
Meldremar: If you choose to be a sheep that's fine. I respect that. You, however, simply do not have the right to tell me I cannot own a firearm to guard against tyranny and lawlessness.
J.C. Garand
2/16/2008 2:43:20 PM
When you have a person who is cracked, and bent on hurting others. It doesn't matter what he holds in his hand. This asshole had a gun, but it could have been anything else.
Even with all the gun violence there is, doctors still kill more people.
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:42:53 PM
MELDRAMAR---Sounds like your husband is a real American, my hat is off to him. Why he would give a hand-out income to a liberal is beyond me.......
Meldremar
2/16/2008 2:42:46 PM
4 or below. No it's not! I'm 5'10", so no, it's not. It's really none of your business. I've been as small as a zero, back in 1978 working for the 5,7,9 shop. I weighed 104 when my children were in elementary. I weighed 250 the beginning of my senior year 1975. Graduated in May of 1976 weighing 107. I don't see how any of this has to do w/guns. I'm leaving. Crazy people talking about other things other than what is really important. Prayers to all. God Bless, even you, Drew HIll...I like your name....Melody
MEL IS FOS
2/16/2008 2:42:37 PM
LOL MELDREMAR IS FULL OF SHIT!
WHICH IS IT MELDREMAR????? A 64 VETTE OR 62???????
YOUR SO FULL OF SHIT
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:40:50 PM
And how much of that money did YOU actually make? Or was it given to you through a wrongful death-settlement? Either way you're still a hefer.......
DAVE_THE_RAVE
2/16/2008 2:40:37 PM
LOL LOL
Bob
2/16/2008 2:40:31 PM
Meldremar = melodramatic.
MELDREMAR = OLD AND TIRED HAG
2/16/2008 2:40:00 PM
LOL
OHHHHHHHH A SIX FIGURE INCOME!!!! WOWZER!!! SO YOUR A RICH LIBTARD! YOURE STILL A LIBTARD.
GO SMOKE SOME MORE DOPE
Meldremar
2/16/2008 2:38:31 PM
People w/high IQ's aren't the smartest book on the street. They refer to others as stupid when they don't even know us. Drew HIll, the answer to your question. I came from a 6 figure income, 3000 sq. ft. home in the process of building on a private lake surrounded by 10 acres, 2 cadillacs and a '62 black convertiable vet, been around the world, Florida every year. But it doesn't take materialistic things to make a person humble. I lost everything when my husband died. Then I met a new man. Who's a sniper in Kuwait now for 5 yrs. come Oct. 1st...I've been raising my 2 children alone for a very very long time. I don't need any hassels. Right now, I was in touch w/the White House, yesterday, my husband is missing, since Jan. 29th. I really don't need others to be attacking me.
I LOVE LAMP
2/16/2008 2:36:48 PM
LOUD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:36:41 PM
"MORTIMER"---I posses three AKs (not to mention 10/15 clips and a 75-round drum and 500 rounds+ of ammo) and you can kiss my Texas ass if you ever think your fagget-ass possey of Hilliary and Obama will touch my guns!.....fag.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 2:32:40 PM
PLEASE STOP USING MY CHILDRENS NAME FOR YOUR OWN STUPIDITY. NO, I'M NOT FAT. THAT MUST MEAN YOUR WIFE IS FAT. OOPS, SORRY TO THE INNOCENT WIFE. DRAGGING HER INTO THIS TO HIDE BEHIND YOUR STUPIDITY ISN'T SMART. WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THAT?! I WEAR A SIZE 7. IF IT'S ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS. YOU KNOW WHAT. I CAME ON HERE TO TALK ABOUT GUNS AND THE ISSUES W/GUNS. ALL I'VE HEARD ARE DEMONIC ATTACKS TOWARDS ME AND OTHERS, STRANGERS WHO HAVE NEVER MET ONE ANOTHER, TO TALK, AND EVERYONE KEEPS YELLING, SWEARING, NAME CALLING, POINTING FINGERS AND MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE FEELINGS. JUDGING IS WRONG. SO PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE.
level headed
2/16/2008 2:29:49 PM
JASON S---- the one liberal on all six pages that has a brain (pg 2, 2nd post)
Meldramar
2/16/2008 2:26:56 PM
ok ok you win!
We need guns in our society to protect ourselves from our government, and crazy people that shoot up schools.
how do i get a concealed carry permit?
redneck010101
2/16/2008 2:25:17 PM
All you libtards in here, the next time you are caught in a situation where some donk has pulled a gun and gone crazy, make sure you are the first one to take a bullet so i can use your body as a cover while i return fire.
If He Had Time
2/16/2008 2:22:28 PM
Meldremar - if your husband had time to get to his gun in order to pop the guy who killed him, you would be singing a different tune! Period.
Al in South Park, CO
2/16/2008 2:21:35 PM
GUNS ARE BAD, MMMMMMMMMMMMMM K?
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 2:20:52 PM
STUPID LIBERAL (meldramar).......SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE ONCE AGAIN. DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT COPS ARE "BETTER TRAINED" IN SHOOTING FIREARMS THAN THE REST OF US? NOT ALL OF US ARE IGNORANT RETARDS LIKE YOU. I CAN OUT SHOOT 99% OF ANY GIVEN POLICE FORCE. I SHOT A PERFECT SCORE ON MY CHL PISTOL TEST AND PUT 50 BULLETS THROUGH AN APPLE. NOT TO MENTION I HAVE DROPPED IT IN AN ANIMAL'S HEART WITH A RIFLE AT ALMOST HALF A MILE AND UNDER PRESSURE. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.......
Eurolaws
2/16/2008 2:20:42 PM
By the way, we do have 1 year of compulsory military training for all males in my country. If there is coming a new war you can be sure that we will be able to defend ourselves. We kick ass everytime the U.S marine soldiers comes here for for winter and difficult terrain training. We do have some of the best trained soldiers in the world and by the way we do have troops stationed in muslim countries on special-ops missions so don't come blaming us for beeing pussies. But we only resolve to arms when there is no other alternative, and you've got a choice before it's to late. Don't come blaming us when your country is falling apart!
GFZ?
2/16/2008 2:20:39 PM
Meldremar - I agree with Tostitos post. I, like him, spend way more time on the range shooting than most police officers I know. I have a really good friend who is a SWAT member on a Louisiana police force and I can easily outshoot him with a variety of handguns including the one issued to them. I don't think being a police officer necessarily gives you an inate ability to handle a weapon. Plus, many CCW permit holders also shoot in IDPA matches which is International Defensive Pistol Association. (headquartered in Berryville, AR for those who want to join)
GunsSaveLives
2/16/2008 2:19:44 PM
European - check your history again, school shootings do happen all over in Europe, including England and France.
Hey, those guns didn't walk up on stage by themselves, they didn't aim themselves, they didn't pull their own triggers!
People kill people, not guns. Guns are just the tool of choice. Could have been a grenade, a stick of dynamite, a baseball bat, a sledge hammer, a knife. Its the idiot weilding the weapon or tool that make HIM a murderer, NOT the TOOL. I don't understand how this FACT simply escapes all reasoning for people who CLAIM to be intelligent. Obviously missing some brain cells here and there...
SPELLING NAZI
2/16/2008 2:19:10 PM
NEITHER IS GRAMMER
TO THE DUMBASS LIBERAL
2/16/2008 2:18:51 PM
HILLARY, OBAMA, AND HITLER AGREE!!!! GUN CONTROL WORKS!
GRAMMER NAZI
2/16/2008 2:16:46 PM
CRAZE ISN'T A WORD
Ordinary Joe
2/16/2008 2:16:07 PM
You simply have to get rid of these gun free zones. The anti-gunners have had their way for 40+ years now and the killings in gun free zones has NOT stopped.
The anti-gun agenda has simply not worked. It has been an abysmal failure based on irrefutable statistics.
Time to try something different for Godsakes. Let honest law abiding citizens defend themselves with firearms.
Jake in TX
2/16/2008 2:15:19 PM
but what is your point? why did nazism happen in europe and not the US? why were jews exterminated in europe and not the US? why do we play football and baseball and you play soccer? you're in europe and we're in the US, two different societies.
CWD
2/16/2008 2:15:18 PM
The 2A was written to protect the people from people. It was not meant to allow hunting or target shooting games. When you restrict the people's right to protection...people die. Is it or will it stop all crime..."No". Police are not responsible for your safety, they are there to help you. Either allow the Police to be charged with a crime for not protecting me or allow me to protect myself, with their help. Either allow criminals to run the streets, or give the people a fighting chance to defend themselves. Either give up your 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 14th Amendment rights (in an attempt to stop sickos and criminals from getting firearms), or LEAVE OUR 2A RIGHTS ALONE.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 2:12:33 PM
Hey, you all, Drew Hill. My son is named after his father, Drew! My children are 21 & 19. I came from a lovely marriage of 21 yrs. w/a 3,000 sq. ft. home being built on a private lake. We had 2 cadillacs and a '64 vet. We've traveled the world from Ireland to Japan to London, Hawaii, Vegas, Florida every year. You all can make fun of me. But it has been working for me. My husband was murdered by a craze man of 22 who had no business owning a gun. My husband had a gun, but guess what, he didn't get to it on time. I'm not going to listen to all the attacks. Find someone else to rag on. I'm out of here.
European
2/16/2008 2:11:39 PM
Let’s be clear and logic: you cannot answer a question retorting to a completely non-sequitur matter. I keep in asking and I’m still waiting for a logical answer: why do you think that events like Columbine, Virginia, Illinois etc., etc. happen almost exclusively in the US and not in EU? All I get is some sort of completely unrelated blab about Europe’s past crimes… Yes, Europe is not heaven on Earth as the USA are not some evil haunted lands but, for god’s sake, in Europe we don’t hear every month about a new killing rampage in a school. Why??? Don’t you think that it is about being so easy for crazy hormonal teenagers to buy guns? Why else? What is so different between two industrialized countries like Germany and USA, for instance?
GLOCK
2/16/2008 2:11:07 PM
Yes this is one CCW holder that would have stopped it before it started. As soon as he appeares on stage with the weapons,shotguns or pistols,he would have taken out.
No brag,just fact!
GFZ?
2/16/2008 2:10:03 PM
Many of you really need to get on-line for some recent event refresher. What do you, or your wife or daughter drive? It wasn't too long ago that a doctors wife and daughter were followed home by two individuals with really bad intentions. The two criminals admitted they followed them home because they liked the way they looked and liked the suv she was driving. I bet that family was wishing someone had been able to get to a gun that night. When someone bursts in your door, calling 911 is not always an option. But wait, that could never happen to you...
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 2:09:35 PM
European,
Your mistake is that you think that the bulk of Americans give a shit how the rest of the world "sees us". The rest of the world sees the U.S. as a big old milk-engorged titty to suckle off of. Sure, the lefties,elitists, and television news anchors might care about how the rest of the world "sees us" while they sip lattes at starbucks, but us regular folks who go to real jobs every day and have real concerns like paying the mortgage and saving to help our kids do better than us couldn't give a shit less.
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but most of us really,really don't care what you think of us.
LOL
2/16/2008 2:08:17 PM
all of this boils down to personal responsibility. Liberals prefer to blame their problems on someone else. Conservatives prefer to take responsibility for thier own actions, and request others do the same. im thinkin i should switch to be a libtard so i can spend the rest of my life blaming other people and objects for all my problems.
LIBTARDS FOR THE WIN
ERL
2/16/2008 2:06:57 PM
Another victim disarmament zone yields horrible results and the sheep keep bleating for laws that would turn the whole country into one.
Not that reality or common sense have any place in these kind of discussions but anyone interested in facts regarding gun control should look here. http://www.gunfacts.info/
tiny tim
2/16/2008 2:06:50 PM
eurolaw--stay in europe and hide behind rocks and throw sticks with the rest of your pussy neighbors. when another world war comes, make sure you call us to rescue you AGAIN because you only know what a white flag is
FreedomToDefendIsARight
2/16/2008 2:04:06 PM
Meldremar, you said "I'm a lady, I don't result to violence. I don't teach my children that violence is the answer."
So, if someone is pointing a gun at you and you had a gun in your hand, you are telling me that you wouldn't try to shoot him before he blew your head off?
I agree, violence is NOT the answer, but I'd rather have the ability to defend myself than just stand there and get shot! You have a blackbelt... SO WHAT? Its no match against a 9mm being fired at you from stage 50 feet away. Your black belt can't 'reach out' and touch him. You LOSE that one.
In close quarter combat, if your assailent has a knife, then MAYBE your blackbelt will save you. But we're talking about guns here.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 2:02:52 PM
Eurolaws,
Shouldn't you be turning in your visa and fleeing back to Europe where you can be safe?
I hope Muslims don't burn your car up and stuff.
Really.
Eurolaws
2/16/2008 2:00:55 PM
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 2:00:16 PM
You are being a dumbass. You continue to blame an OBJECT rather than the person who pulled the trigger.
Don't take revenge on millions of Americans by stripping them of a god-given right to defend themselves and a constitutionally codified god-given right to own a gun because your first husband was killed by a PERSON with a gun.
It is shameful.
Eurolaws
2/16/2008 1:59:52 PM
Ok, rednecks let's use your wild-west logic. Let's say the U.S is the world and out of the 200 million guns every gun is potential nuclear bomb. Remember history, we were only seconds away from world war 3 in the 80's when the Soviet Union where planning nuclear missile sites on Cuba near the U.S. Now imagine all those 200 million nuclear bombs go off simultaneously. That is the worst-case doomsday scenario your country is looking at if you don't take drastic measures to increase firearm control and private gun ownership!
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:59:40 PM
I spend more time at the range practicing shooting (for fun and relaxation) than the members of the local SWAT team. Your average cop can't shoot accurately enough to pass the most lax Concealed Carry class. I'm not sure where the idea that police officers are somehow magically more qualified for gun use than the average trained citizen, but speaking as someone involved in the training industry who gets to see cops and citizens being graded on their skills, it's entirely a fantasy.
Cops are more qualified at finding, arresting, and helping prosecute criminals. Their 'superior qualifications' end there.
SheepDog
2/16/2008 1:59:26 PM
Pepper spray and a whistle would have really helped my parents when Katrina blew the roof and back door off of their house!!
It was their misfortune to have to rely on such inadequate defense items such as a pump shotgun and a pistol to keep the wolves from the door!!
I have been meaning to email them at tell them about the versatility of the whistle/ pepper spray combo so they can do better next time!!
SD
:)
CSI in Illinois
2/16/2008 1:59:04 PM
I am 42 years old and have lived in a house with guns since I was born. I have never lived in a house with a gun that has killed someone. I was taught to use a gun and respect a gun at a very early age. I also taught my son to use a gun and repsect a gun at an early age. He is away at college now, and has never used a gun in a way it should not have been used. He has no interest in guns now. Unfortunately since I live in Illinois I do not have the option to carry a weapon. However I do have the option to keep a gun in my home.
tiny tim
2/16/2008 1:58:56 PM
Meldremar---i have a 21yr old and a 19 yr old who have lived in my house since birth and my guns have always been there. It is teaching them what responsibility with a handgun that keeps them from using them. My son is in the Naval Academy and a gun advocate, while my daughter is in college and even though more liberal than i care for, understands what guns are for. YOU STILL HAVE TO TEACH KIDS RESPECT!!!
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 1:58:17 PM
"Meldramar" you should watch your words. I have quite a mind, an above genius IQ, a very sexy wife, I am a self-employed real-estate entrepreneur, made 17k or so a month last year, should make over 20k a month this year and took seven vacations to three continents last year. I also did all this without a degree and before I was 25. HOW ABOUT YOU?
European
2/16/2008 1:57:55 PM
Dave_The_Rave, when I criticize Bush, I don’t criticize US – a country for which I still have a lot of consideration. (It is true though that not many think like me in Europe, and the generic tendency is to extend the criticism against Bush to all americans...) It’s just that you people simply don’t get how much damage this guy could do in terms of tarnishing the image of you country all over the world. And, if you feel like dismissing this with a bit of “who cares?” escapism ever so popular in your country, well, you are part of the problem since even US needs a smart PR strategy.
dradd123
2/16/2008 1:57:14 PM
When you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them.Let law abiding citizens with training and CWP's carry any where.The sick individuals with many problems will think twice about entering a place where the people are armed.No longer will they be the only one's safe in these so called gun free zone's. It seems like men smarter than me had it right with the 2nd amendment.Read your statistiks gun ban's have not dropped crime in any of the places they have been implamented.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 1:56:59 PM
Amen, DrewHill. Fact of the matter is there is nothing anyone is going to write on this forum that will make me even remotely consider giving up my firearms. I will continue to legally carry my G23 & 2 spares. I've never had an occasion to use my weapon but I would rather have it and never need it than to need it just one time and not have it. There's two types of people in this country - the persons like those who founded this country and stood up for what was right and took care of themselves and others - then there those who expect things to be taken care of for them and live by the mentality it will never happen to me or mine.
GetAClue Eurotrash boy
2/16/2008 1:56:44 PM
"Message From: Eurolaws on 2/16/2008 1:21:51 PM
The only people that should be allowed to carry guns in the first place should be police officers and law enforcement officers who have the right to enforce law and order in society. Please don't make this into some kind of sick twisted videogame where rednecks and half-amateurs who doesn't have the appropriate training and qualifications can own guns. Your comments just confirms all of my assumptions and stereotypes."
You must live on a different planet, where the criminals don't have guns. Think about it, jackass.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 1:56:29 PM
Wow! Again, the 3 of you that can't think of anything really smart to say, but insults. I really don't feel sorry for you. I'm a lady, I don't result to violence. I don't teach my children that violence is the answer. There are other ways. Quaint, tournequit, I was taught to use these powers by a police officer so I wouldn't need to resort to guns....
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:56:12 PM
Anyway, I'm out. Remember kids, When Seconds Count, Cops Hide Behind Trees.
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:55:19 PM
Meldremar shifts vacuously from point to point. It's rather like discussing a topic with a drunk.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 1:54:28 PM
According to the Brady Center to Ban Handguns, Illinois is some sort of utopia where gun violence never happens since they are ranked so high. No CCW, have to get permission from the police before buying a gun, FOID, all the liberal panacea solutions to the "gun problem".
Worked out pretty good, only the killer had a gun.
Good work.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 1:52:50 PM
I can't wait for the day that liberals come a knocking on a Texan's door to confiscate guns. They are going to get familiar with My Little Friends...........
west coaster
2/16/2008 1:51:45 PM
why are you anti gun people such pussies? did your mothers drop you on your heads when you were young? if you don't want guns, then don't get them. i cannot stop you from having abortions which are legal, you can leave my guns alone----I wonder which one kills more? ps, if you really want to see what gun control is, come by my house some late night and try to come in the front door
Meldremar
2/16/2008 1:51:02 PM
Well I guess it's come down to this. My first husband whom I was married to for 21 yrs., had his children and a good life. Well, guess what? He was shot and killed by a mentally sick young man who had no business owning a gun. I've been there and lived it. This is why we took our self defense classes. I'm 50, my father-in-law from my first marriage was a Baptist minister and I come from a long line of Methodist ministers, not to mention my niece, 32, in Wisconsin is a Lutheran Minister as I speak. There are ways to defend ourselves besides using guns. Only stupidity comes from people who don't have a mind, creative enough to think properly, and clearly, to realize there is another way. These people want an easy out. Let's just buy a gun. Oh, it's safer. Especially if one has small children or children who can get their hands on the gun, in the house. Real smart!
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:50:23 PM
My girlfriend is only 100lbs soaking wet. Do you really think that martial arts and a whistle and even a (low reliability spray irritant such as) a can of pepper spray would protect her against even the most average size rapist? Guns level the playing field. Without them, big people can rape and murder the shit out of small people with impunity.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 1:48:56 PM
Have any of the zealous anti-gunners checked their states carry conceal laws? The lawmakers deciding whether or not you can carry a gun have a loophole built in that allows them to carry concealed during their term and 4 years after. Wonder what makes their self-defense so much more important than ours?
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 1:48:15 PM
Maldremar has a black belt.
Makes a great tourniquet.
Drew Hill
2/16/2008 1:47:29 PM
AUTOMATIC WEAPONS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR *130 YEARS*, SCHOOL SOOTINGS HAVE NOT. GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. IT IS THE DECLINE OF SOCIETY AND A LACK OF MORALS AND SELF-CONTROL (A.K.A. LIBERALISM)
Jake in TX
2/16/2008 1:46:07 PM
meldremar, so someone who can't take karate, like someone in a wheelchair, what should they do? be at the mercy of criminals and just call the police because you don't want them to have a gun to protect themselves with?
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:45:54 PM
Pepper spray and a whistle? How quaint.
Shotar
2/16/2008 1:45:19 PM
You will not eliminate the 200 million working firearms in circulation in this country by a law. Criminals by definition don't obey the law, so you would only eliminate those who were not criminals from carrying them.
To European, if we actually cared what you thought, we wouldn't have left Europe in the first place. Lets look at the last 100 years of history. It was not the American government that sent millions of our unarmed and defenseless citizens to be exterminated like cattle.
Warren
2/16/2008 1:43:45 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl,_Mississippi#Newsworthy
On October 1, 1997, 16-year old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother to death. He then took a rifle to his school, Pearl High School. He shot and killed his ex-girlfriend and another student while maiming another seven. Six other boys were later arrested for allegedly conspiring with Luke in the school shooting, although all save one were cleared of all charges. The assistant principal of Pearl High, Joel Myrick, pulled a gun from his truck, intercepted Woodham and held him until police arrived.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 1:43:38 PM
We have what we call, self defense classes, in which me and my daughter and son have taken. We carry pepper spray and a whistle on our person. Probably sounds corny to all who reads this, but it works. Don't ever come in contact w/me. I have a black belt and I know how to use it.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 1:43:27 PM
European,
Thank you for your candid and honest commentary on President Bush, now please go back to being European.....preferably in Europe.
GFZ?
2/16/2008 1:41:56 PM
HEY JACKKNOCK! THAT WAS A VERY ELOQUENTLY WRITTEN POST. BUT, I'M CURIOUS, SHOULD ERIC OF TOPGLOCK PUT THE HOLSTER HE SOLD THIS GUY TO HIS HEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER OR SHOULD HE PUT THE MAGAZINE HE SOLD THIS GUY TO HIS HEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER? YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH 'BOUT GUNS AND STUFF DO YA'? BUT, YOU WRITE REALLY NICE.
Tostitos
2/16/2008 1:41:32 PM
When seconds count, a cop is only minutes away, hiding behind trees until the shooting stops.
Meldremar
2/16/2008 1:41:21 PM
CSI, I will. Thanx. My sister being a single Mom, w/her only son, serving 27 months total and his new bride at home, is heart wrenching. He does carry a weapon. He's in enemy territory. The USA is not enemy territory unless the Americans and the rest of the world make it that way. It's up to us to change. Find Peace. My 2nd husband has been in Kuwait going on 5 years come Oct. 1st. We were married 2 1/2 years before he left. I've seen him home once, Sept. '05......
Jake in TX
2/16/2008 1:41:13 PM
this isn't europe, for better or worse. americans want the right to own guns. we have a sense of self-reliance that people raised in europe just don't. it's a silly comparison. it's like saying you had nazism in europe and killed 6 million jews and we didn't in america.
Dave_The_Rave
2/16/2008 1:40:25 PM
Meldremar,
Good luck with that!
Remember, when seconds count, a cop is only minutes away.
Shotar
2/16/2008 1:40:05 PM
Meldemar:
Let me be clear. I'm a 22 year police veteran. I am here to protect society. If I can protect you in the process, great. If I can't get there in time, well, that is unfortunate. Until I do get there, you are on your own.
Relying on the benevolence of an armed criminal is not a strategy, it is stupidity. Self defense may well involve shooting someone. The criminal chose the course of action, not those defending themselves.
European
2/16/2008 1:39:47 PM
For the guy who seems to be so proud of being a redneck: I fail t